Quest lines Design and Progress SPOILERS

[Guv]

I love this game, you can see by the hours played. But, i beg whoever created the quest-lines for the npc to be fired. wtf are these easily missable quests, if you want to get all the npc items from their quests you have to do 3 playthroughs. one example is the horsent, leda, and ansbach. depending on how you play you can miss all of their quest and rewards. some giving armour, ash of war, weapons and more. SO KINDLY GO FK WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THESE QUESTLINES THAT TAKE DOING MULTIPLE PLAYTHROUGHS JUST TO RECEIVE THESE ITEMS. btw swift slash can be easily missable if you go into messmer fight, before helping horsent againsts leda, and in doing so, you can also miss items rewards from ansbach by also following this questlines, which alot of people skip this interaction completely to receive the items from ansbach by doing his quest and assistance after beating messmer. also you can miss horsent quests, if you dont summon him during your fight against messmer. so no playthrough with your own efforts if you wish to receive their items and do their quests. again whoever made this questlines fk u. the dlc game itself is amazing the items amazing. the questlines 0/10. game 10/10 base elden ring quests 9/10. LASTLY DONT GO TO SHAWDOW KEEP BEFORE DOING ALL THE NPC QUESTS, AS DOING SO WILL LOCK YOU OUT FROM SOME OF THEM.

[nfinite.recursion]

Have this rewritten in block format and correct all capitalization and punctuation errors while removing all instances of "text speak" and have it on my desk by the end of the day unless you'd rather repeat the 5th grade.

[Guv]

Nah i'm good how about you go teach if you like preaching so much.

[Action Man]

The wall of text in the OP does remind me of the quest design.

[Twisty]

Oh no a game where there aren't 50 markers, giant chevrons, a 30 page quest log, and barriers to stop you from progressing too far.
Oh no a game that you can play multiple times in multiple different ways to get multiple different items.

All of the quests can be completed by listening to NPCs, talking to NPCs, going back after a bit and talking to them again, reading item descriptions and so on.
As for missing stuff, oh well, play it again. Unless you really didn't enjoy the game enough for a second playthrough, in which case maybe you don't really need the items.

[Duchess Thy Strength]

You dropped these op:
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[Action Man]

Originally posted by Twisty:

Oh no a game where there aren't 50 markers, giant chevrons, a 30 page quest log, and barriers to stop you from progressing too far.
Oh no a game that you can play multiple times in multiple different ways to get multiple different items.

All of the quests can be completed by listening to NPCs, talking to NPCs, going back after a bit and talking to them again, reading item descriptions and so on.
As for missing stuff, oh well, play it again. Unless you really didn't enjoy the game enough for a second playthrough, in which case maybe you don't really need the items.

I wasn't aware that the only options for quest design were "reveal nothing" and "reveal everything".

I think they did a good job with Ranni's questline. The player is given enough information to get through the whole thing.

I think they did a bad job with Nepheli's quest line. The player has to do a bunch of unrelated tasks to complete it. None of which are explained. If I missed some vital piece of info here, feel free to correct me.

Some of the DLC quest lines are also very obtuse. Thiollier makes no mention of the item Moore located for him. You're just supposed to go back and forth between the two. Then you can use that item an a completely unrelated NPC without any indication to do this. And all of this is missable if the player just decides to explore the map. You know, one of the main things to do in an open world game. Explore! But if you explore too much, you've locked yourself out of some quests without even knowing.