Consort Radahn is a terrible boss fight and makes this game worse by existing.

[FanaticPharaoh]

I wanted to beat him solo without summons and in various ways before making this conclusion. The difference in difficulty comparing a two handed STR build and DEX or ARC build is comical and makes the game look worse. It took me less than one hour with a status build and a whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ day with a bonker. You simply do not have the time to hit him large weapons.
The first phase would be fine, but the second phase is plagued by screen clutter and flashing lights. His hit boxes aren't accurate and he splashes area of effect damage all around himself at the end of combos.
I have played a lot of souls games and he is the worst-not just because he is hard but because he literally forces you to play a way you don't want to. He invalidates play styles and it really rubs me the wrong way. There is a massive middle ground between making players adapt and forcing them into meta builds and he jumps his fat ass right over it.

Idk what they could do to fix it, the whole second phase is just cursed beyond existence. I LOVE souls games and I love this game, and this is a terrible example of how they should be. Alright that's it, tell me why consort radahn is your favorite souls boss.

[Amanda Young]

[EF_Neo1st]

RealValpispower lähetti viestin:

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You can always clearly see what Malenia (and all other bosses) are doing for the vast majority of the fight.
Even Golden Hippo inside an egg-of-an-arena is not aas bad with camera and particles (and I am considering the body of the hippo covering the screen as "particles").

Yeah, the main complain people had for Malenia is that she is an RNG fest, and that she can heal.

Malenia is not "all that RNG (her aggression is) and the heal is more a "trying to facetank her or to use shield" problem (or, sure, trying to use mimic and mimic being a heal source for Malenia).
Consort Radahn on the other haand is straight up bs with all that light that even with camera some 50m up in the air with mod the particles still cover most of what Radahn is doing orf will do, what is climax of stupidity at its best.
Had these particles be at max the size of the player (aside from obvious explosions like the last explosion of Miquella light and one or two combo endings that are explosions) all other crap light could be completely avoided from covering the screen like that.
It is only hard because it forces the player to play partially blind through the fight and it is crap design to make it harder. I did not joke when I said the next step up in difficulty will be boss use something and screen go full black or full white and you see nothing for several seconds in a row but a slight hint you did poorly by checking your HP bar go down and get destroyed. It is cheap, stupid and very bad design to up the difficulty, the worst souls-like boss ever created is Consort Radahn at stage 2.

[Gearwar]

playing with a UGS and trying to completely dodge his ph2 without parry or some BS summon is utter trash. Same for spells. You always trade hits and its a losing battle if you have to trade.

[NutcasE]

This boss is peak fromsoft dlc cheapness. Malenia has bladedance true. But atleast there is a very clear SFX and visual telltale she is doing it. making countering it managable. Radahn (and by extent alot of the enemies in the DLC) just spam ♥♥♥♥ with minimal small sounds and visual warnings. He might do something that looks like a single attack twice, or the combo might be longer than you would expect. the 2nd phase is just absolute complete diarreah. You cant tell what is going on half of the time, you got alot of nukes and It's annoying to learn when you dont have time to take anything in because you get slapped in 10 seconds and then you have to go back to phase 1 mindset.

[Jnc]

Burdpal lähetti viestin:

The final fight has really pushed the limits of the archaic dodge roll mechanics for damage avoidance. Juxtaposed with older Dark Souls games which utilize similar functions, it's wild how far the genre has gone. Some of the DLC fights are genuinely fun and engaging, and don't feel cheap (Romina, Scadutree, and Messmer come to mind).

I hope From learned not to design bosses in this way going forward, as the visual bloat and unavoidable triple-slash attacks are not healthy. I feel like every time I fight the Consort, I don't really learn much. How am I supposed to learn what I can't see?

I think the single thing that would help this fight would be for phase 2 to trigger at 30% or 40% health, instead of 60%. Phase 1 is enjoyable and fine, but phase 2 is way too much to deal with. By the time Phase 2 normally triggers, I feel like I'm kiting for the next 10 minutes waiting for a sliver of an opportunity to attack. Not fun.

Every single boss fight in this DLC save for Messmer and Rellana is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AOE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with 20 hit combos. Along the way fromsoft got way too comfortable when it comes to designing bosses that are fair and challenging(that's a delicate balance), so they gave up and decided to cook up this abomination that forces you to use a dagger or a thrusting sword because it's way too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fast, because why bother? It looks cool enough, so they'll eat that ♥♥♥♥ right up(no).
Still, I'm willing to bet there's probably an army of sycophantic fan girls that think this boss is the greatest thing ever, who are at the ready to tell you to "git gud", and by that they mean; "just summon your personal militia and run a broken ass build revolving around the new items that have yet to be properly balanced", yeah but if a boss requires you to hire bodyguards and alter your playstyle and build to the point that they become almost unrecognizable, your boss is a trash 4 kings ripoff, sorry.

[Hikaru]

I think most of the people who can consistently dodge the cross slash combo are cheaters, either during their attempts or they used cheat engine to practice the move over and over with godmode turned on.

I'm just gonna put it out here, if you use cheat engine with god mode to practice one combo of the boss in isolation, you should never be considered the best. Unless you're learning the fights without cheats, you're out of the contest.

[Gearwar]

Hikaru lähetti viestin:

I think most of the people who can consistently dodge the cross slash combo are cheaters, either during their attempts or they used cheat engine to practice the move over and over with godmode turned on.

I'm just gonna put it out here, if you use cheat engine with god mode to practice one combo of the boss in isolation, you should never be considered the best. Unless you're learning the fights without cheats, you're out of the contest.

well there goes your youtube career

[TwinChops]

Yeah, they complety forgot about Leonard, litterly unplayable.

[Hikaru]

Gearwar lähetti viestin:

Hikaru lähetti viestin:

I think most of the people who can consistently dodge the cross slash combo are cheaters, either during their attempts or they used cheat engine to practice the move over and over with godmode turned on.

I'm just gonna put it out here, if you use cheat engine with god mode to practice one combo of the boss in isolation, you should never be considered the best. Unless you're learning the fights without cheats, you're out of the contest.

well there goes your youtube career

youtubers are also lame, if you're not doing it live who knows how consistent you are?

[Rising Gale]

Besides the framerate problems my frustration with consort radahn is my frustration with any boss in er that just boils down to "make it bleed" it was stale before tho didn't annoy me as much now that it's in the dlc my patience for the whole "make it bleed" as the primary solution has waned thin and it's become boring.

[EF_Neo1st]

Rising Gale lähetti viestin:

Besides the framerate problems my frustration with consort radahn is my frustration with any boss in er that just boils down to "make it bleed" it was stale before tho didn't annoy me as much now that it's in the dlc my patience for the whole "make it bleed" as the primary solution has waned thin and it's become boring.

Never used bleed build (besides pre nerf Radahn that I did not bother to learn .. and still got him down to 10% 5 times .. until I shoved Impenetrable Thorns up his butt), never neededd and I just did not want to fight half blind through 70% of the fight.
If they did not maake me fight half blind through 70% of it I would not have resorted to changing from Golden Halberd to incantations and magic and I would had learned the fight instead of doing what I did, but that was the one and only fight I did it. (on purpose, I tested the incantations on other 3 or 4 bosses at the DLC before really using against Consort Radahn)

[zab]

[Tórç]

My first time beating him seemed by accident using bleeds. I was expecting to die a lot and further study his attacks but didn't get to...

[Rising Gale]

EF_Neo1st lähetti viestin:

Rising Gale lähetti viestin:

Besides the framerate problems my frustration with consort radahn is my frustration with any boss in er that just boils down to "make it bleed" it was stale before tho didn't annoy me as much now that it's in the dlc my patience for the whole "make it bleed" as the primary solution has waned thin and it's become boring.

Never used bleed build (besides pre nerf Radahn that I did not bother to learn .. and still got him down to 10% 5 times .. until I shoved Impenetrable Thorns up his butt), never neededd and I just did not want to fight half blind through 70% of the fight.
If they did not maake me fight half blind through 70% of it I would not have resorted to changing from Golden Halberd to incantations and magic and I would had learned the fight instead of doing what I did, but that was the one and only fight I did it. (on purpose, I tested the incantations on other 3 or 4 bosses at the DLC before really using against Consort Radahn)

Never said you can't beat him without a bleed build just that it feels you're intended to because of his resistances. They are basically wasting your time if you aren't running a bleed or poke build and it's even worse in the dlc when you include too many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ scadu tree fragments even now where it feels like I'm playing korok seed simulator all over again. I'm tired of this game padding ♥♥♥♥ out I miss the old souls damage formula where it felt like some builds had an advantage for a fight but it didn't feel like you were having your time wasted for using the non meta option.

[EF_Neo1st]

Rising Gale lähetti viestin:

EF_Neo1st lähetti viestin:

Never used bleed build (besides pre nerf Radahn that I did not bother to learn .. and still got him down to 10% 5 times .. until I shoved Impenetrable Thorns up his butt), never neededd and I just did not want to fight half blind through 70% of the fight.
If they did not maake me fight half blind through 70% of it I would not have resorted to changing from Golden Halberd to incantations and magic and I would had learned the fight instead of doing what I did, but that was the one and only fight I did it. (on purpose, I tested the incantations on other 3 or 4 bosses at the DLC before really using against Consort Radahn)

Never said you can't beat him without a bleed build just that it feels you're intended to because of his resistances. They are basically wasting your time if you aren't running a bleed or poke build and it's even worse in the dlc when you include too many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ scadu tree fragments even now where it feels like I'm playing korok seed simulator all over again. I'm tired of this game padding ♥♥♥♥ out I miss the old souls damage formula where it felt like some builds had an advantage for a fight but it didn't feel like you were having your time wasted for using the non meta option.

The non-DLC Radahn I never used anything other than Golden Halberd or Golden Halberd + another halberd, it takes just a few minutes if he dont just run away around, it deals good damage per hit to Radahn.