Struggling with Morgott, please help!

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Edit 2: I finally beat him! A little bit of respeccing and just not being bad finally got me past him. Now onward to the Fire giant and Miqulla's Halig tree!


EDIT: I probably should have added this from the start. Current RL 87 URL is my current stat spread and gear setup. Yes, the Knights armor is deliberate. I am trying to limit myself on what type of gear I am allowed to bring as a challange

https://imgur.com/a/pfaFXK7


First off, I am trying to do this fight without spirit ashes, second, I am currently a predominantly strength build using a heater shield +13 and long sword +19 as my chosen weapon

So I've got a basic understanding of most of his move set, but my problem is I keep taking chip damage from a number of his moves.

One of my most problematic attacks occurs in phase 1, where he will summon his spectral hammer and proceed to whirlwind around. I always seem to get knicked by this attack just as he starts spinning. Not enough to send me flying, but enough to take a decent dent in my HP. I usually try to dodge by rolling g to the right, would it be better to roll backwards to try and avoid this attack?


The second attack I keep getting taps from is when he summons what appears to be a spectral dagger that he slashes 2-3 times and usually follows it up with a sweeping attack with his sword.

Is there a certain distance that you want to keep away from him to try and limit him from using this attack?

The same applies to when he summons his spectral sword and starts whirlwinding with them and ends that combo by jumping in the air and performing a slamming stab with both weapons.

I usually can dodge the final attack pretty easily by rolling to the side, but the first few attacks also tend to get chip damage in on me. Is there typically a move or tell he has to let me know when he might do this particular move so I can preemptively roll away before I take that chip damage?

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Does Godfrey icon (+15% damage to charged spells/attacks) and the Axe Talisman (+10% to charged attacks) stack?

They don't boost the same thing, so no, they just both work independently at the same time.

Godfrey Icon is charged spells and skills, not attacks.

Hmm, so by charged skills does that apply to Ashes of War then? Not sure if something like the heavy attack of Square off is considered a "charged skill" or not.

[zab]

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They don't boost the same thing, so no, they just both work independently at the same time.

Godfrey Icon is charged spells and skills, not attacks.

Hmm, so by charged skills does that apply to Ashes of War then? Not sure if something like the heavy attack of Square off is considered a "charged skill" or not.

skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

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Hmm, so by charged skills does that apply to Ashes of War then? Not sure if something like the heavy attack of Square off is considered a "charged skill" or not.

skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

okay, so Godfrey Icon wouldn't do anything for an AoW like Double slash or Square off it sounds like, so I can probably ditch it for something else.

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skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

okay, so Godfrey Icon wouldn't do anything for an AoW like Double slash or Square off it sounds like, so I can probably ditch it for something else.

are you trolling?

[zab]

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skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

okay, so Godfrey Icon wouldn't do anything for an AoW like Double slash or Square off it sounds like, so I can probably ditch it for something else.

I'd replace the 2 talismans on the left with maybe some holy resistence, better healing, or more damage from charged attacks or jumping attacks, etc. there are many good options.
also he is weak to lightning so you could use that instead of fire to buff your weapon

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okay, so Godfrey Icon wouldn't do anything for an AoW like Double slash or Square off it sounds like, so I can probably ditch it for something else.

are you trolling?

No, legitimately as far as I can tell it does not affect either of those AoW's so far as I can tell when looking at them on Fextra's website. Am I mistaken? Admittedly there's still mechanics of this game I'm still learning about.

According to the website, neither of these AoW's are "Chargeable" so Godfrey Icon wouldn't affect their damage output right, or am I misunderstanding something? The Description explicitly states "Enhances Charged spells and skills"

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Double+Slash

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Square+Off#gsc.tab=0

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okay, so Godfrey Icon wouldn't do anything for an AoW like Double slash or Square off it sounds like, so I can probably ditch it for something else.

I'd replace the 2 talismans on the left with maybe some holy resistence, better healing, or more damage from charged attacks or jumping attacks, etc. there are many good options.
also he is weak to lightning so you could use that instead of fire to buff your weapon

Wait, Morgott has a vulnerability to lightning? I had no idea that was a thing.

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are you trolling?

No, legitimately as far as I can tell it does not affect either of those AoW's so far as I can tell when looking at them on Fextra's website. Am I mistaken? Admittedly there's still mechanics of this game I'm still learning about.

According to the website, neither of these AoW's are "Chargeable" so Godfrey Icon wouldn't affect their damage output right, or am I misunderstanding something? The Description explicitly states "Enhances Charged spells and skills"

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Double+Slash

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Square+Off#gsc.tab=0

It's pretty obvious what is chargeable and what is not... and the talisman only works if you FULLY charge the spell/incant/AoW so if you're getting slapped around like a ragdoll already I don't see how you're planning to pull that off.

[zab]

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I'd replace the 2 talismans on the left with maybe some holy resistence, better healing, or more damage from charged attacks or jumping attacks, etc. there are many good options.
also he is weak to lightning so you could use that instead of fire to buff your weapon

Wait, Morgott has a vulnerability to lightning? I had no idea that was a thing.

me neither, it's just what the wiki says lol

[Vinnolo]

whats the point of a challenge run if you are going to summon help anyways, just a question lol

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bioanalytical a écrit :

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No, legitimately as far as I can tell it does not affect either of those AoW's so far as I can tell when looking at them on Fextra's website. Am I mistaken? Admittedly there's still mechanics of this game I'm still learning about.

According to the website, neither of these AoW's are "Chargeable" so Godfrey Icon wouldn't affect their damage output right, or am I misunderstanding something? The Description explicitly states "Enhances Charged spells and skills"

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Double+Slash

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Square+Off#gsc.tab=0

It's pretty obvious what is chargeable and what is not... and the talisman only works if you FULLY charge the spell/incant/AoW so if you're getting slapped around like a ragdoll already I don't see how you're planning to pull that off.

Not sure what the abrasiveness is for, but I've been trying 2 handing my weapons as of late and just trying to dodge outright, and thought Godfrey Icon was boosting the damage of my heavy R2 attacks when I used Square off. So now I'm drawing the distinction and learning?

Perhaps it was immediately apparent to you, but since I was asking the question, clearly it wasn't to me? No need to be condescending, I wouldn't have made this thread if I wasn't trying to learn and become better in the first place.

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whats the point of a challenge run if you are going to summon help anyways, just a question lol

I'm not summoning anything? Unless you mean asking for help or advice? At the end of the day, I still have to do the fight on my own, not get hit and learn how to deal with the mechanics alone, so not sure what you're getting at?

[Tr3m0r]

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Hmm, so by charged skills does that apply to Ashes of War then? Not sure if something like the heavy attack of Square off is considered a "charged skill" or not.

skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

Thanks I have wondered this and it's an easy explanation of it!

Edit: comment meant for Zab.

OP don't sweat the negative comments I just learned this too from your thread and wondered what constituted a skill and I have almost 400 hours lol.

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zab a écrit :

skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

Thanks I have wondered this and it's an easy explanation of it!

Edit: comment meant for Zab.

OP don't sweat the negative comments I just learned this too from your thread and wondered what constituted a skill and I have almost 400 hours lol.

Appreciate it, but yeah, not taking him too seriously. You don't post on a public forum without expecting some kind of flak in some shape or form from folks. Just comes with the territory, thankfully the overwhelming majority of comments have been positive and have attempted or have been very helpful with me trying to develop my own strategy. The swapping of talismans has helped tremendously as has testing out different AoW's to see what might help me most in this fight. Closest I've got is about 30% of his HP left, but then I fumbled pretty badly and got caught out in one of his bubble puddle things. Still I'm getting to phase two much faster than I was before which is a good sign that I think I'm slowly figuring things out.

[zab]

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zab a écrit :

skills refers to ashes of war (left trigger/L2) and charged attacks refers to normal heavy attacks you can charge (right trigger/R2)
some ashes of war can be charged, those are buffed by Godfrey's icon

Thanks I have wondered this and it's an easy explanation of it!

Edit: comment meant for Zab.

OP don't sweat the negative comments I just learned this too from your thread and wondered what constituted a skill and I have almost 400 hours lol.