I think Consort Radahn is too hard and needs a nerf.

[Mushroom]

Alright, so now that I have your attention, I just need help on a few attacks that I can't seem to dodge right. I have used Ashes of War that grant an i-frames, but I'd like to use regular dodge rolls and backsteps.

Phase 1 has that diabolical cross slash attack pattern that starts with his left sword. I can dodge one swing but then get caught with the other. I can semi-consistently dodge this attack with light loads, but at the cost at being within light load damage negations.

Phase 2 has Radahn's mirage attacks and also certain combo finishers that spam light beams everywhere. If I dodge his initial clones, the final swing from his real self catches me. I can also dodge the "regular" combos that spam light beams in front of him, but get caught by the light beams that scatter around him when he does the finishers. I actually can't get the hang of dodging these beams like what I've seen from no-hit attempt videos.

Basically, where should I stand and which directions should I dodge towards so I can fully no-hit these attack patterns?

[Mushroom]

Publicado originalmente por Tritol:

Crybabies already nerfed original Radahn for no reason, just leave the game if you dont like it and stop trying to ruin it again for others

Caught one. Anyways, please read the actual post.

[Hikaru]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por Hikaru:

if you're complaining about anything other than the cross slash combo it's a skill issue, but that move is broken. literally 10x harder than anything else he does. I can dodge it pretty frequently, but it's just so stupidly broken that it should be retuned. If you disagree, you are proven to be stupid.

The cross slash is the second move I dodged with consistency, the easier move to dodge consistently was his dive bomb.

Okay? I mean I am sure you're telling the truth but if you look at the frame data it is the most difficult move to avoid in the entire game by far.

Prefer it if people would be less disingenuous and more objective when talking about stuff like this. Chances are you used something like bloodhound step.

"PC Radahn is so disgusting with it I beaten it dodging most of his attackks and even dodging all his attacks (even the deemed "almost impossible") just by spamming dodge nonstop with each flinch of his muscle"

Ah you're a light roll spammer. Talk to me when you can do the fight deliberately.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Hikaru:

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

The cross slash is the second move I dodged with consistency, the easier move to dodge consistently was his dive bomb.

Okay? I mean I am sure you're telling the truth but if you look at the frame data it is the most difficult move to avoid in the entire game by far.

Prefer it if people would be less disingenuous and more objective when talking about stuff like this. Chances are you used something like bloodhound step.

I think the hardest move to dodge is his light explosion if you are still under its range.
I dont look at frame data, I just played it and after watching videos and understanding what is the move it was not one of the hardest moves to dodge "to me

[Hikaru]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por Hikaru:

Okay? I mean I am sure you're telling the truth but if you look at the frame data it is the most difficult move to avoid in the entire game by far.

Prefer it if people would be less disingenuous and more objective when talking about stuff like this. Chances are you used something like bloodhound step.

I think the hardest move to dodge is his light explosion if you are still under its range.
I dont look at frame data, I just played it and after watching videos and understanding what is the move it was not one of the hardest moves to dodge "to me

Your post history shows that all you do is spam light roll, so it's hard to take any of your perspective seriously. If you can post a video of you dodging everything in the fight deliberately sure I'll give you some respect but I don't respect roll spammers. The "light explosion" is meant to be outspaced by running as soon as it starts. It's not intended to dodge roll it.

[Mushroom]

Publicado originalmente por Atlas:

No need a nerf. But you need up your lvl and skill.
I win Radahn before Scadutree up and you said, radahn need a nerf .... Just a joke

Git Gud

PS : Many players win Radahn without Scadutree, no hit, etc so ...

Caught one. Anyways, please read the actual post.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Hikaru:

"PC Radahn is so disgusting with it I beaten it dodging most of his attackks and even dodging all his attacks (even the deemed "almost impossible") just by spamming dodge nonstop with each flinch of his muscle"

Ah you're a light roll spammer. Talk to me when you can do the fight deliberately.

Ah, so you want me to learn his crap through the crap light show?
No, I dodged using spam yes but the cue being Radahn flinch a muscle so I dodged it and no I dont plan on "learning that crap through light curtain" because "1 - I never enjoyed the fight" and "2 - I dont even intend to actually try to learn", if anything I will learn to cheese it even harder and someone posted video here just showing how.
I despise the 2nd stage due to all the light crap, still despise and will continue to despise but, as a reminder, if someone that could not see the moves properly could dodge that crap by spamming dodge using just a innitial flinch of his muscles as cue it just shows it is not hard but a total push over because of the light crap.

[Hikaru]

Publicado originalmente por Tomoko Kuroki:

Publicado originalmente por Atlas:

No need a nerf. But you need up your lvl and skill.
I win Radahn before Scadutree up and you said, radahn need a nerf .... Just a joke

Git Gud

PS : Many players win Radahn without Scadutree, no hit, etc so ...

Caught one. Anyways, please read the actual post.

For the light clone attacks, you want to be running away from the one that comes after the comet attack, dodge into the real one that comes after 4 clones on a slight angle to the left, then dodge back toward his front for the upswing to iframe the second part of the slam and be in position to fight. The other one, you want to run to the right and dodge the real combo that comes after(pay attention to the target lock effect to know when he is actually coming), he can do a number of different real combos so you just have to pay attention and know which combo he is doing when he comes for real.

For the one where it's a single quick clone after he runs sideways or something and then one real attack, you dodge twice with the right timing on a diagonal left between them. It's really specific angles and it's hard to explain other than left diagonal through the gap.

The light beam combo unique to phase 2 is 6 dodges, dodge dodge short pause dodge dodge dodge pause dodge.

Cross slash has been addressed and I personally think it ruins the fight but it is technically possible to dodge under specific conditions that are dependent on rng.

[Hikaru]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por Hikaru:

"PC Radahn is so disgusting with it I beaten it dodging most of his attackks and even dodging all his attacks (even the deemed "almost impossible") just by spamming dodge nonstop with each flinch of his muscle"

Ah you're a light roll spammer. Talk to me when you can do the fight deliberately.

Ah, so you want me to learn his crap through the crap light show?
No, I dodged using spam yes but the cue being Radahn flinch a muscle so I dodged it and no I dont plan on "learning that crap through light curtain" because "1 - I never enjoyed the fight" and "2 - I dont even intend to actually try to learn", if anything I will learn to cheese it even harder and someone posted video here just showing how.
I despise the 2nd stage due to all the light crap, still despise and will continue to despise but, as a reminder, if someone that could not see the moves properly could dodge that crap by spamming dodge using just a innitial flinch of his muscles as cue it just shows it is not hard but a total push over because of the light crap.

If you're unwilling to learn the fight you shouldn't remark about its difficulty. You chose to opt out of the difficulty by playing in a graceless way.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Hikaru:

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Ah, so you want me to learn his crap through the crap light show?
No, I dodged using spam yes but the cue being Radahn flinch a muscle so I dodged it and no I dont plan on "learning that crap through light curtain" because "1 - I never enjoyed the fight" and "2 - I dont even intend to actually try to learn", if anything I will learn to cheese it even harder and someone posted video here just showing how.
I despise the 2nd stage due to all the light crap, still despise and will continue to despise but, as a reminder, if someone that could not see the moves properly could dodge that crap by spamming dodge using just a innitial flinch of his muscles as cue it just shows it is not hard but a total push over because of the light crap.

If you're unwilling to learn the fight you shouldn't remark about its difficulty. You chose to opt out of the difficulty by playing in a graceless way.

I dodged all the stuff (maybe not on the same try but I dodged literally everything) and that move in particular was one of the moves I constantly could dodge entirely or just getting a bit of damage here and there so, considering "I was not able to see wtf was happening" because of the light crap I call it a push over because of all the light cluttering on screen..
I did not opt out the difficulty or else I would had summoned 2 players or... developed the strategy on this video:

Publicado originalmente por MCNacho-ナチョ:

thats the lazyest way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqGYQQzLfI0

These are "opt-out the difficulty entirely" options (sumoning 2 players or NPCs or spirit ashes... or doing that at the video, that undoubtedly is skipping the difficulty).

That crap lightshow dont deserve my time to learn and I refuse to, even more because I could deal with it wiithout even knowing exactlly what was happpening while going solo, before Thorns I could bring Radahn to near and under 10% of his health 5 times and 4h trying the boss playing partially blind through most of the second stage is far more than that crap deserved of my time.

[ajohnemus]

Just use "Endure" in your main hand and defensive talismans. Makes the fight much easier.

Its funny you mention his cross slashes though, even with Endure I try to dodge them as they indeed do quite a bit of damage.

[Mushroom]

Publicado originalmente por ajohnemus:

Just use "Endure" in your main hand and defensive talismans. Makes the fight much easier.

Its funny you mention his cross slashes though, even with Endure I try to dodge them as they indeed do quite a bit of damage.

No, I've already used the Endure strategy for a clear. I'm using this thread to learn how to dodge all attacks without getting hit.

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Tomoko Kuroki:

Publicado originalmente por ajohnemus:

Just use "Endure" in your main hand and defensive talismans. Makes the fight much easier.

Its funny you mention his cross slashes though, even with Endure I try to dodge them as they indeed do quite a bit of damage.

No, I've already used the Endure strategy for a clear. I'm using this thread to learn how to dodge all attacks without getting hit.

So change the topic titlle, it dont look like you want to learn anything but want to nerf the boss (while the only thing I think that needs nerf is the crap light diarrhea)

[Mushroom]

Publicado originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Publicado originalmente por Tomoko Kuroki:

No, I've already used the Endure strategy for a clear. I'm using this thread to learn how to dodge all attacks without getting hit.

So change the topic titlle, it dont look like you want to learn anything but want to nerf the boss (while the only thing I think that needs nerf is the crap light diarrhea)

The title is as it is for two things: to get knee-jerk "git gud" reaction replies (funny) and to get people to read the post (thank you to all who did). I've already caught several who took the title bait.

[echo_ML]

Publicado originalmente por Tomoko Kuroki:

Phase 1 has that diabolical cross slash attack pattern that starts with his left sword. I can dodge one swing but then get caught with the other. I can semi-consistently dodge this attack with light loads, but at the cost at being within light load damage negations.

The only way I've seen people rawdog this attack (no outside tools like deflect tear and quickstep) is to do a literally frame perfect dodge to the left.

[Mushroom]

Publicado originalmente por echo_ML:

Publicado originalmente por Tomoko Kuroki:

Phase 1 has that diabolical cross slash attack pattern that starts with his left sword. I can dodge one swing but then get caught with the other. I can semi-consistently dodge this attack with light loads, but at the cost at being within light load damage negations.

The only way I've seen people rawdog this attack (no outside tools like deflect tear and quickstep) is to do a literally frame perfect dodge to the left.

That's how I've been able to dodge it when I actually do. I roll towards his right leg kneecap the moment I see his left arm start to swing and hope the ground doesn't eat the rolling i-frames.