Miyazaki talks about adding seamless co-op officially in the future

[toughnails]

Due to the overwhelming popularity of the Seamless Co-op mod for Elden Ring, FromSoftware's president, Hidetaka Miyazaki, is considering adding such functionality officially in the future games.

What are your thoughts? This is some really unexpected but very exciting news!

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/fromsoftwares-says-elden-rings-seamless-co-op-mod-is-definitely-not-something-we-actively-oppose-and-may-even-consider-ideas-like-that-with-our-future-games/

[Oshi]

If you use Seamless co-op mod you should never come back into regular version. Permaban them from original version. My thought.

[Detective Costeau]

It's neat that they're willing to consider this kind of thing for the future.
Leaving aside the endless, stupid, pointless argument about invasions, simply being able to play the game with my brother without dealing with all of the bizarre jank the default co-op mode has was great.

[paulaus333]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1245620/discussions/0/6725643950983906626/?tscn=1718559136

[ZeSentinel]

if i understand correctly, it would be the traditional multiplayer of the souls but the coop is actually from A to Z correctly and entierely doable in the entire world?! that GREAT

[An Irate Walrus]

My thoughts are pretty simple: this is more likely to be a business move than an "artistic" choice on Miyazaki's part, but it also makes sense in terms of broadening and expanding the customer base.

Capital-Gs seem to forget that gaming has always been a for-profit business first and foremost, lauding as they do such cutting insights as "gaming journos produce artificial hype for games," as if Nintendo Power didn't exist before these market-analysis gurus were even born. Companies exist for the benefit of their shareholders/investors, and that means chasing profit; a larger consumer base has the potential to provide larger profits. The follow-on logic here is pretty simple.

Beyond that, all franchises evolve over time. The concern for fans becomes when to keep holding on, and when to let go. I've been a Final Fantasy fan going back to the first game's western release on the NES in 1990, but the emo-kid fashion simulator the series became after VII (with the exception of IX, which is straight fire, and hopefully really is getting that oft-rumored remake) told me that the franchise was moving in a direction that meant it wasn't for me anymore.

And that was okay. We don't own the people who produce work we enjoy; our portion as consumers is to vote with our wallets--the creators' portion is to decide how many "old" wallets they're willing to lose to court potentially greater numbers of "new" wallets.

Same logic applies here. If Souls games with integrated Seamless Co-op is a bridge too far beyond the series you first fell in love with, then you have to make a choice: hold on hoping they reverse course, or walk away.

I imagine many will choose the third road, though: holding on while whining incessantly the entire time.

For my part, I haven't enjoyed invasions going back to Demon's in 09, and I've appreciated the franchise's options for avoiding them (which were present in all of the games except Dark 2, and were not strictly limited to playing offline), so I'm not overly bothered by this potential change in pathways.

...I can hear some arteries clanging shut in rage from a certain someone, though.

[Sc0rpiTr0n]

Striving to evolve and improve on successful but
nevertheless imperfect mechanics is logical step to take.

I would most certainly be interested in it, as I have confidence in devs.
They proved many times they know what they're doing.

I am only worried for our neighbourhood friendly dragon blood pressure :-)

[Fistraiser]

Most gamers dont care about pvp so its not really surprising to be honest.
Pvp is only really a niche in fromsoftware game and not really a main selling point for the game.
Seems logical they'd consider giving people the option to not have to pvp in multiplayer.

Keep in mind i dont support the seamless co op mod because any mod that circumvents current game design for player advantage is cheating regardless what arguments one tries to make.

But i also wonder if so many people hadnt felt the need to cheat in invasions and make low level smurfs to constantly gank newbies would the co op seamless mod have been thiis popular in first place?

[Eric]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Due to the overwhelming popularity of the Seamless Co-op mod for Elden Ring, FromSoftware's president, Hidetaka Miyazaki, is considering adding such functionality officially in the future games.

What are your thoughts? This is some really unexpected but very exciting news!

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/fromsoftwares-says-elden-rings-seamless-co-op-mod-is-definitely-not-something-we-actively-oppose-and-may-even-consider-ideas-like-that-with-our-future-games/

So, he wants to make mmorpgs?

[Tao314zdin]

They could definitely make coop more seamless;)

However copers (spelling intended) might be disappointed to learn that "seamlessness" of coop is not about removing invasions.

[Zogtar]

Miyazaki didn't say anything of substance, tbh. Just, "Oh yeah, that mod had some things we can learn from"

[Dragonirian]

If they do that it means invasions will be unavoidable and there will be no excuse for a conveniently named no invaders easy mode mod.

[paulaus333]

Originally posted by Dragonirian:

If they do that it means invasions will be unavoidable and there will be no excuse for a conveniently named no invaders easy mode mod.

He graces us with his presence. We're not worthy!

[Sirius]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Keep in mind i dont support the seamless co op mod because any mod that circumvents current game design for player advantage is cheating regardless what arguments one tries to make.

'Zaki finally acknowledges the existence of the mod and says it's fine and you guys still go "But it's cheating".

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

But i also wonder if so many people hadnt felt the need to cheat in invasions and make low level smurfs to constantly gank newbies would the co op seamless mod have been thiis popular in first place?

While pure conjecture since we can't go back in time and do something about it to experience a different outcome, it seems pretty obvious that the answer is "Yes".

Mainly because souls multiplayer functions have never been super thought out beyond "hey, this idea sounds cool right?" and then slapped on a bit haphazardly.

Modders go and fix that.

So even without cheaters and griefers and twinks and what have you, the functionality always leaves a lot to be desired and players feel they need to change it if possible.

[kl250d]

Originally posted by Dragonirian:

If they do that it means invasions will be unavoidable and there will be no excuse for a conveniently named no invaders easy mode mod.

Nah it just means that it'll be easier to make/update a mod to take you out of the invasion pool?

[Key]

That is stretching what he said so far that we may as well say he's considering making Dark Souls 4.