Even after 2 years of playing, malenia is still by far the hardest boss From Software ever did

[Buurt]

I know you can cheese her and make the fight "easy" but when playing normal this fight is still with my 5th or 6th character the thing that gives me more trouble than anything else in From Software history.

I think the only think that comes close is sword saint isshin for me, everything else people struggled alot like Orphan of kos, I never really had problems with.

Normaly its like : the first From Software game you play will be the hardest for you, but even when having like 500+ hours in all of those games, Malenia is just still by far the hardest thing for me.

[76561199548677014]

If Malenia were a bad boss she wouldn't have piles of manually placed summon signs in front of her door 24/7, while any other boss is lucky if they have a single one.

[Bunny Massacre]

Nothing in this game is more difficult than any other FromSoft game. If you're having problems, unlimited respecs at Rennala can let you cheese anything. If you're really desperate on Malenia, you can just go throw all your points in Intelligence, and the requirements for Death Rancor, and you and your mimic could kill her within 30 seconds using only that. Then go put your points back. Fire giant, do the same type of thing but with Dragon Rot Breath. Elden Beast, same thing but use Pest Threads. Limited options for that in their other games. Or just learn them, or just complain.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Was her being the hardest boss supposed to change after 2 years lol?

[Discombobulating]

Waterfowl and the lifesteal make it an insufferable boss.

[Evilsod]

The only thing I find really obnoxious about Malenia is that she heals up even if you block her attack with a 100 greatshield or have stronger armour. That was seriously frustrating on my 2nd fresh playthrough as a heavy armour sword/shield. In the end I just swapped to Blasphemous Blade and mimic tear'd the ♥♥♥♥♥.

Urist Microcline a écrit :

Pre-nerf Ibis in Armored Core 6 is the hardest boss I've fought in a From game.

Only completed that game last week, Chapter 4 boss wasn't so bad by the end once I finally got the hang of it.
That boss had nothing on the final bosses from the "Raven" ending and the "Alea" ending. Even after beating them and doing the missions again for the S Rank, I still have zero clue how to reliably dodge the melee attacks. Could do the exact same dodge with the exact same timing and it would miss once and hit the next. Did my head in.

[GodfatherPlunger]

An Irate Walrus a écrit :

Urist Microcline a écrit :

Pre-nerf Ibis in Armored Core 6 is the hardest boss I've fought in a From game.

I only encountered him post-nerf, and he was still a massive pain in the undercarriage.

Then I overcame my resistance to the gatling guns, equipped two alongside double Songbirds, and went "boom-BOOM; boom-BOOM! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."

I had the same experience. through the whole game I used ultra light parts and loved the speed, but against that one I switched to the big guns.

[Zehm]

If you use the Black Knife Summon, or any D.Death inflicting skill to finish her in her first stage, she bugs out and it skips her second stage. I think it's because she naturally retains 1hp on phase change, but the negative health effect of D.Death reduces her below zero, killing her outright.

[Kaga]

CazadorDeLobo a écrit :

Question: What's the cheesiest weapon/weapons to use vs her?

Mohgs spear could possibly be the easiest. 60-80 Arcane on the first game and just use the weapon art. It is very cheesy in the way of her not getting to waterfowl dance for a second time. A lot of enemies are very easy like that. Radagon is also one of them. If it bleeds, it dies very quickly. The weapon art's range makes it so much easier.

[1100011]

Honestly if the DLC shows that's the way they want to go, I'll just stick with the awesome games they already made.

[76561199548677014]

I hope every boss in the DLC is a Malenia... we should be so lucky.

[DamZe]

Waterfowl makes me… her hard, but doing a parry build on her is very satisfying!

[Kan3da.]

Hard is subjective, and Malenia is certainly broken. Sekiro is easily the best FS boss canon as its also balanced with a much more narrow "build" window.

All in all although its among my fav gameseries and a genremaker, the FS bosses are getting old for me. Phases are just a timewaster and glitchy tryhards like Malenia are more patience test then skillcheck to me.

DLC will most likely be my swansong with Miyazakis games until they eventually go and release that Bloodborne remake.

[ArcKnight]

Malenia and Maliketh were the only two I couldn't beat with my standard build. I had to play something alien and in my opinion ridiculous. Of course if I didn't value my life and time at all I could have eventually perfected the fight but I already find bosses to be the least interesting parts of these games and worlds.

Regarding Malenia specifically, with waterfowl she's a cartoon. But without it, she would be a wimp. If the quality varies to such a degree on one aspect, I'd say it's not well designed. Running away at intervals to smash a glintstone scrap to bait out this attack is so dumb. If you flipped the conversation around, all the other bosses would be telling Malenia "You're only winning because you use OP builds".

I liked Malenia more than I thought. But that has nothing to do with her boss fight.

[Mecharion]

cryptid canine a écrit :

I just think she's badly designed. Waterfowl holds the entire thing together and that in itself is a pretty badly designed attack. If you take it away though, the whole thing falls apart since nothing else from her kit is particularly threatening at all.

The healing is the big BS in this fight. Without it she would be laughtable easy.

I mean the waterfowl is doing nothing against a proper shield.

For me as a sword and board player the hardest thing was to learn that i HAVE to dodge every single thing she throws at you instead of blocking.

She is the only boss forcing you so hard in one direction.

[Sham!]

yeah the healing bit is what tips the scale imo
a great shield trivializes this entire encounter to a ridicolous level, without healing on hit she'd bite the dust in 2 minutes flat