Even after 2 years of playing, malenia is still by far the hardest boss From Software ever did

[Buurt]

I know you can cheese her and make the fight "easy" but when playing normal this fight is still with my 5th or 6th character the thing that gives me more trouble than anything else in From Software history.

I think the only think that comes close is sword saint isshin for me, everything else people struggled alot like Orphan of kos, I never really had problems with.

Normaly its like : the first From Software game you play will be the hardest for you, but even when having like 500+ hours in all of those games, Malenia is just still by far the hardest thing for me.

[dogged contender]

I just think she's badly designed. Waterfowl holds the entire thing together and that in itself is a pretty badly designed attack. If you take it away though, the whole thing falls apart since nothing else from her kit is particularly threatening at all.

[Cristiano Ronaldo]

i used an op bleed build on her once, defeated her REALLY quickly and only taking one hit.

[Guldo]

its mainly waterfowl dance that makes her unfair and this is why mimic tear really screws up her ace in the hole because the mimic tear is alot tankier than you.

I sucked it up a long time ago and just use mimic tear against her in every fight. If waterfowl dance wasnt busted i would fight her normaly but screw that lol.

somtimes you really do just have to use the tools the game gives you to make things easier instead of fighting a boss fair and square.

[CazadorDeLobo]

I've been stuck on Soldier of Godrick since release, so I don't even know how hard she is

just kidding ofc

Originally posted by freemathslessons123:

i used an op bleed build on her once, defeated her REALLY quickly and only taking one hit.

she crumbles to bleed and frost

[Guldo]

Originally posted by cryptid canine:

I just think she's badly designed. Waterfowl holds the entire thing together and that in itself is a pretty badly designed attack. If you take it away though, the whole thing falls apart since nothing else from her kit is particularly threatening at all.

This ^ so much this lol. I dont know how many times ive been attacked saying she would be easy if waterfowl dance wasnt busted.

[Swimfan]

Originally posted by cryptid canine:

I just think she's badly designed. Waterfowl holds the entire thing together and that in itself is a pretty badly designed attack. If you take it away though, the whole thing falls apart since nothing else from her kit is particularly threatening at all.

Agreed.

[zab]

same bro

[Angel]

for sure, she's nothing without waterfowl dance

[An Irate Walrus]

A couple of late-game AC VI bosses, who shall not be named to avoid spoilers, ask that you hold their beers.

[zab]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

A couple of late-game AC VI bosses, who shall not be named to avoid spoilers, ask that you hold their beers.

I feel like Malenia is way harder than any of those guys, even harder than the final boss

[76561199548677014]

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

its mainly waterfowl dance that makes her unfair and this is why mimic tear really screws up her ace in the hole because the mimic tear is alot tankier than you.

I sucked it up a long time ago and just use mimic tear against her in every fight. If waterfowl dance wasnt busted i would fight her normaly but screw that lol.

somtimes you really do just have to use the tools the game gives you to make things easier instead of fighting a boss fair and square.

It's not busted at all there's a dozen ways to dodge or deal with it, some people are just too lazy to learn.

You can just run away and outrun the first two flurries. Then dodge into her for last one which will miss completely.

[zab]

Originally posted by cryptid canine:

I just think she's badly designed. Waterfowl holds the entire thing together and that in itself is a pretty badly designed attack. If you take it away though, the whole thing falls apart since nothing else from her kit is particularly threatening at all.

I'd say her butterfly phantom attacks and he general running-at-you behaviour in her second phase are pretty dangerous

[76561199548677014]

Originally posted by Kenshiro:

Originally posted by cryptid canine:

I just think she's badly designed. Waterfowl holds the entire thing together and that in itself is a pretty badly designed attack. If you take it away though, the whole thing falls apart since nothing else from her kit is particularly threatening at all.

This ^ so much this lol. I dont know how many times ive been attacked saying she would be easy if waterfowl dance wasnt busted.

It's because it's literally a skill issue...

https://youtu.be/LtstVZwbNEw?si=JIF2Xta9ZipMHhMl

[Dusk of Oolacile]

560 hours in, I still refuse to attempt to learn the move set and fight normally, like any other souls boss. 60 VGR and Morgott rune shouldn't be a 1-shot.

[Robin]

Definitely Waterfowl gives a cheap one shot that's almost undodgeable by normal standards, but I find her still threatening enough without it.
For those attempting to do her without cheese or summons. Here's a trick to 100% deal with waterfowl: Just block the first attack and then dodge the second and third (you should be far enough away that the 4th won't hit you usually anyway)
Trying to block ALL attacks won't work on most builds since it takes up too much stamina (also because her life leech), but dodging the first attack is impossible without some really weird movement that even then isn't consistent.
So just block the first multihit and then easily dodge the rest. And Enjoy the fight :)