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paincanbefun 14 JUN 2024 a las 4:15
thoughts on Irina and Hyetta?
it really seems like Hyetta is supposed to be Shabriri possessing Irina's body

Irina is distinctive, she trigger's Hyetta's appearance, she exists only to die and be seen by you dead, and Shabriri shoves the idea of possession in your face when you meet him in Yura's body

yet, when Hyetta shows up, you can go back and Irina's body is still there. if her body vanished, everything would make sense (and be really cool and ominous), but since both women's bodies exist at the same time, it seems unclear and even doubtful that the possession explanation is correct even though it makes the most thematic sense and any *other* explanation for a random other girl having the same clothes and even the same voice by coincidence does not seem plausible

what do you think is going on?
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Despiser 14 JUN 2024 a las 6:35 
Good people.
Key 14 JUN 2024 a las 6:46 
Publicado originalmente por dachte:
Same character model is most likely just because there are only so many character models. You can read into it that sometimes people look similar in real life and this is more of that.

They're different people, different bodies. Shabriri is just talking about his body-hopping, not implying others do the same.

Nah. She uses a Player model, it would've been extremely easy to just customize another one, or at least dress her differently.

In addition to that, giving her the exact same voice actress playing the exact same voice and sharing the same exact introductory line is going out of the way to try and make the player go "Oh sh*t, it's the same girl, wasn't she dead?".
dachte 14 JUN 2024 a las 7:06 
Publicado originalmente por Key:
Publicado originalmente por dachte:
Same character model is most likely just because there are only so many character models. You can read into it that sometimes people look similar in real life and this is more of that.

They're different people, different bodies. Shabriri is just talking about his body-hopping, not implying others do the same.

Nah. She uses a Player model, it would've been extremely easy to just customize another one, or at least dress her differently.

In addition to that, giving her the exact same voice actress playing the exact same voice and sharing the same exact introductory line is going out of the way to try and make the player go "Oh sh*t, it's the same girl, wasn't she dead?".

Or, more likely, you're reading patterns into things that are not really there. I'm not saying it's impossible that you're right, but it's also a leap, given available evidence. People have been debating this for years.
paincanbefun 14 JUN 2024 a las 10:33 
Publicado originalmente por dachte:
Or, more likely, you're reading patterns into things that are not really there

same face, same clothes, same body, same voice, same rare physical ailment, same manner

but those patterns aren't there? even though Irina is definitively connected to Hyetta because she triggers her to spawn? even though possession is a power that chaos has and Hyetta is an agent of chaos?

no example exists of a re-used npc model. even the Hoslow brothers have different helms to distinguish their armor
Última edición por paincanbefun; 14 JUN 2024 a las 10:33
mpcgannon 14 JUN 2024 a las 10:40 
Yep, I can't make sense of it so it's CLEARLY a lapse in developer judgment.
11/10; checks out.
Wolfguarde 14 JUN 2024 a las 10:42 
Publicado originalmente por dachte:
Publicado originalmente por Key:

Nah. She uses a Player model, it would've been extremely easy to just customize another one, or at least dress her differently.

In addition to that, giving her the exact same voice actress playing the exact same voice and sharing the same exact introductory line is going out of the way to try and make the player go "Oh sh*t, it's the same girl, wasn't she dead?".

Or, more likely, you're reading patterns into things that are not really there.

If you're familiar with the lead creative developer of this series, you'll know how unlikely this is to be the case. Miyazaki's not one for lazy design on small detail, and has trained his fanbase into the habit of excruciatingly poring through small detail to tease out clues to the bigger picture of his universe's lore.

I'm not one of the aforementioned masochists, but I do enjoy the fruit of their efforts.
Ryvaku 14 JUN 2024 a las 10:54 
Well it is the point of the lore to piece it together as a community.
Key 14 JUN 2024 a las 10:58 
Publicado originalmente por dachte:
Publicado originalmente por Key:

Nah. She uses a Player model, it would've been extremely easy to just customize another one, or at least dress her differently.

In addition to that, giving her the exact same voice actress playing the exact same voice and sharing the same exact introductory line is going out of the way to try and make the player go "Oh sh*t, it's the same girl, wasn't she dead?".

Or, more likely, you're reading patterns into things that are not really there. I'm not saying it's impossible that you're right, but it's also a leap, given available evidence. People have been debating this for years.
I'm sorry what? Even Sellen's bodies have different faces, and you can't even see them.

They went out of their way to give every single human NPC wearing helmets a different appereance but they chose not to do it with two of the few NPCs who have their face uncovered the whole time and are related to one of the endings?

Are you for real?
Última edición por Key; 14 JUN 2024 a las 11:02
Key 14 JUN 2024 a las 11:03 
Publicado originalmente por csand:
Publicado originalmente por Key:
It doesn't make any se-

Time is convoluted in the Souls games, or something.
You want to know something crazy

"time is convoluted"was a huge Oof by the localization team.

The actual Japanese text is more like "time is stagnant"

Everything in the ds games makes way more sense now
Maybe they predicted what would happen in DS3 lol
doudley 14 AGO 2024 a las 1:48 
According to the dialogues and time of events when an NPC appears, they are definitely connected. Undeniably using the same character model and dialogue if attacked.

Publicado originalmente por Irina:
Agh! Ah, why on earth? I do not wish to cause anyone harm.

Publicado originalmente por Hyetta:
What on earth? I do not wish to cause anyone harm...


Even their introduction is the same and voiced by the same actress.

Publicado originalmente por Irina:
I-I can't be sure what it is; my eyesight's been weak since birth you see...

Publicado originalmente por Hyetta:
My eyesight has been weak since birth, you see.


We can safely assume that madness what makes the servants to rebel and was orchestrated by the Frenzied Flame outergod.

Publicado originalmente por Irina:
My name is Irina. I've escaped from Castle Morne, to the south.
The servants there...have rebelled.

Publicado originalmente por Edgar:
The menials have all rebelled. They gave me good service, or so I thought, but it seems it was all an act.


Then later, Edgar will be consumed by madness, leaving Shabriri grapes for Hyetta to consume and fill her with Frenzied Flame guidance and affliction. Unlike the sacrifice by Finger Maidens to their chosen Tarnished (including Melina), I think the death of Hyetta is a mockery of the Greater Will's since the Frenzied Flame is supposed to be its opposite.

In the notes of Howl of Shabriri and its Woe, Shabriri is a singular entity who now, a spirit, possess others as vessels. When he was alive, they removed his eyes maybe because he infects others into madness, like how we see them do now, but they worded it as "Slander", so I can't say for sure. But I'm convinced that he cannot be Hyetta as he is the one who consumed others into madness. Hence the name of the items Shabriri grapes.

Hyetta cannot be Irina too because both of them have a body. Irina's dead body can still be seen even after meeting Hyetta.

The similarities between them was intended though, must be to play on the emotion of the Tarnished. Then later let us contemplate on the wickedness of how the Frenzied Flame does things its way.

I think all of these started as soon as the arrival of the player's character, the Tarnished of no renown. Probably, the outergod knew of this opportunity and tasks Shabriri to introduce the three fingers and created Hyetta to guide the Tarnished as a false finger maiden. A more elaborate plan made by the outergod, since failing to convert Vyke.
Última edición por doudley; 14 AGO 2024 a las 4:08
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