What's the general consensus on flails?

[bluehawk188]

I never EVER see anyone using these weapons. Always wanted to use one so, on my current high ARC build, I decided to make a poison Nightrider Flail using Wild Strikes.

I have to say that idea is rather interesting. I get the poison and bleed, HOPEFULLY proc faster with Wild Strikes.

So, what's everyones thoughts on flails as a weapon? Why do people seem to actively avoid these?

[SaintTrina]

i tried to do a play though with these and i hated it trash tier weapon

[Narm]

They're not great but I like them. They're actually pretty good powerstanced on the right build. A jump or post roll L1 can do upwards of 800 damage in PvP. Hits pretty hard in PvE too. I enjoyed them with quickstep and light roll in PvE (lets you control positioning for landing the post-roll L1), and they're fun to use with raptor of the mists in PvE and PvP.

I'd say they're a little better than colossal weapons (not colossal swords, to be clear) in PvP, so not great but you can still win a decent amount if you're good. But they can't compete well with the meta. For what it's worth, I usually see them with wild strikes or one of the roar ashes that change your R2 chain, they're kinda good that way if you know what you're doing.

Doesn't really matter for PvE, everything works fine there if you know your timing. I very much enjoy jiggling the flail and amusing myself with the flail physics, so there's that too.

So yeah, not great, but not complete trash either. They're tricky to figure out.

I really hope we get a colossal flail in the DLC. I still feel cheated by the chainlink flail.

[Argonaut]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Originally posted by Sephylon:

Pve wise I had some fun with family heads and b.stars flail, their ashes and moveset now feel descent. But in general, they're still lacking compared to other weps. Not as bad as whips tho imo.

Are whips really that bad? I haven´t tried them yet but I sure as hell remember how this hoslow guy in the mountaintops ruined my day with those until I finally beat him.

Whips are a non starter in both PvE and PvP. Every other weapon class eclipses them in multiple ways. In PvP their moveset and the length of the animations is crippling in a poise meta where roll catching and vortexes are a thing.

[bluehawk188]

Originally posted by Argonaut:

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Are whips really that bad? I haven´t tried them yet but I sure as hell remember how this hoslow guy in the mountaintops ruined my day with those until I finally beat him.

Whips are a non starter in both PvE and PvP. Every other weapon class eclipses them in multiple ways. In PvP their moveset and the length of the animations is crippling in a poise meta where roll catching and vortexes are a thing.

I have an alt, Simone Belmont, Simon Belmont's lost sister as a DW Petal whips and actually had fun with it in PvE/ I;m not much a PvPer as I suck HORRIBLY. I only do what I need to get that Mogh talisman that takes me there.

[ajv941]

Originally posted by bluehawk188:

I only do what I need to get that Mogh talisman that takes me there.

You don't need to do that for that quest anymore btw. Once you get to that point, there's a red summon sign in Writheblood Ruins that will complete that step for you if you can kill the npc. It'll be hard to spot the sign underneath all the blood stains, but it's there.

[DragonSoundxSG]

There is no consensus on flails because they are nothing. They don't exist. Vaboosh.

[Bing Chilling]

flails are very good on horseback because you can channel the r2 in a big enemy's leg

[Erdstick]

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Tried them once recently and after seeing how our character swings them I thought this must be a joke and didn´t bother using them again.

To be fair, the fail is an odd weapon to begin with. Lots of hema folks talk about their irl viability and it's not great. Really fun idea though.

[Ant Ra]

Flails? Clear PVE weapon.

First of all, there is not a single enemy in the game, mob or boss, that has significant resistance to strike. What can be an average of 40 for other basic attacks is a maximum of 20 here, usually 0 or even -10/20.

Then a flail triggered with spinning chain on the horse is a damn drill that drills into the opponent, staggers him at the latest with the last strong blow of the attack, and blows up everything else on the weapon like bleeding and everything that is upgraded with arcane. This drill effect is terrifying.

And not to forget, there are only five flails - so you can save material for upgrading and don't have to try a thousand things. three normal, two for dex, one for str. then 2 magic ones, where family heads and bastard stars don't take anything away from each other in their niches and might even be PVP suitable, although flails are basically too slow with too low range for pvp, i think.

As a PVE weapon, one-handed flails are extremely good, you get the first one very early in the game that can last a long time if you are willing to go to 18 dex immediately to stay one-handed.

[impuretrash2878]

Originally posted by Argonaut:

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:

Are whips really that bad? I haven´t tried them yet but I sure as hell remember how this hoslow guy in the mountaintops ruined my day with those until I finally beat him.

Whips are a non starter in both PvE and PvP. Every other weapon class eclipses them in multiple ways. In PvP their moveset and the length of the animations is crippling in a poise meta where roll catching and vortexes are a thing.

I use the Urumi whip in PVP all the time and have a pretty high win rate. You just have to be patient and look for the right window to attack.

[Grim@FU_BARRACUDA]

The best weapon on horseback, believe me (charged heavy attack, bam-bam-boom) xD