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Easy Anti-Cheat? MORE LIKE EASY TO CHEAT.
An invader killed me by making me fall through the floor and after getting a “?Network Message?” message my game crashed.
After restart and now I can't pick up key items.
that's 100 hours gone on that character I guess.. gg I hate all humans.
Last edited by High Caliber Hate; Apr 17 @ 3:41pm
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I just sent this thread to bandai. If you haven't already written a review on the store page go ahead. You can also scroll down to to the flag on the right side of the store page and flag it as fraud.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3461182693

FromSoft lets chaos happen. They profit from fanboy loyalty and dodge accountability while:

-Not adding real save protection

-Ignoring widespread cheat issues

-Giving no recovery tools

-Letting players suffer the same fate over and over

Even WoW has an unstuck tool for players who get stuck in-game in weird places.

Here's a funny one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1j1tyua/did_i_just_get_hacked_on_in_elden_ring/
I just got the DLC last week… I have completed it FOUR times now… and not once have I gotten to fight CONSORT RADAHN. everytime a hacker comes in and insta kills him. Worst one yet has been during the Solitude knight fight at the start. Just as I enter the fogwall it says an invader has come, frame rate drops to 10, suddenly I receive YMIR, dragon priestess, Leda, and consort radahn item sets and rewards. Neat. New record, I was 5 minutes into the DLC this run and now I get to start it all over with a new character or NG+++.

FOUR TIMES IVE started the DLC, and I have yet to fight Radahn. It takes me 20hours of gameplay (if my main and only goal is the DLC) to get to the DLC. I have a character with over 150hrs, and I have not been allowed to fight Radahn thanks to hackers. This is messed up. The first 2 DLC runs I got into the boss fight aren’t with Radahn, but hackers ended it before Radahn could finish his opening move.
Last edited by SHOCKNUTZ; Apr 17 @ 3:58pm
Originally posted by High Caliber Hate:
gg I hate all humans.
That's a bit harsh, but I understand your frustration.
Cheaters like this are quite common lately and have always been a thing,even in previous titles. backing up your save file is your best measure against this kind of behavior . I'd argue that EAC does more harm than good, as griefers like this are still abundant, and yet we still pay the price of increased latency and hindered performance. Still, it's required if you plan on playing online.
High Caliber Hate (Banned) Apr 17 @ 4:40pm 
Originally posted by AerSilver ♞:
Originally posted by High Caliber Hate:
gg I hate all humans.
That's a bit harsh, but I understand your frustration.
Cheaters like this are quite common lately and have always been a thing,even in previous titles. backing up your save file is your best measure against this kind of behavior . I'd argue that EAC does more harm than good, as griefers like this are still abundant, and yet we still pay the price of increased latency and hindered performance. Still, it's required if you plan on playing online.
I just wanted to co-op.... ):
Kaibz Apr 18 @ 1:30am 
Just witnessed many hackers in the last few days, this is getting out of control
Azravos Apr 18 @ 3:10am 
Originally posted by High Caliber Hate:
Originally posted by AerSilver ♞:
That's a bit harsh, but I understand your frustration.
Cheaters like this are quite common lately and have always been a thing,even in previous titles. backing up your save file is your best measure against this kind of behavior . I'd argue that EAC does more harm than good, as griefers like this are still abundant, and yet we still pay the price of increased latency and hindered performance. Still, it's required if you plan on playing online.
I just wanted to co-op.... ):

Yep, this is the problem with a game where you can accumulate lots of hours on a character. But you have a risk losing it all because a game forces you to play with randoms whether you want to or not (in this game, only if you wish to play with your friends that is).

"Fixing EAC" or changing it to a "better anti-cheat" won't ever solve this problem. Because all anti-cheats are sooner or later bypassed (even ring-0 ones..). A better anti-cheat just raises the skill ceiling for the cheater. But that won't really matter as any skilled cheat coder can always just release their cheats (or sell it as some do.. ><) to the public.

The only solution to a game that forces players to connect to randoms is to either block all traffic from all other IPs than your friends IP (after they've connected) in your firewall. Or the better alternative is to use the seamless co-op mod. As that won't make it so that people that actually do want to play with randoms (no matter the risk) need to wait for connection timeouts when trying to connect to people that have blocked their IP.

There really is no other solution until from software gets their act together and realise that this is a problem they'll never be able to fully solve no matter what anti-cheat they use or other methods they'll try. Hence having random people join your game for any reason should be OPTIONAL. Because it's always a risk.
Last edited by Azravos; Apr 18 @ 3:20am
Crocalu Apr 18 @ 3:46am 
I main as a SL43 mohgbro faithbuild coop summon, havent encountered any hackers amongst the people who invade my hosts. Try a lower level playthrough and see if the hackers disappear - they probably are on the lookout for players of a certain level range. I can help you with tough bosses that will wreck you at lower levels - I gots da tools

Alternatively, dont upgrade your weapons all the way. If your weapons and the hackers weapons are of different enough upgrade levels (theres a calculator for this stuff on the ER wiki) then they will never invade you.

But other than that, you can backup your saves. I havent done that but since I dont want to lose my SL43, 0 scadutree blessings, full-game-completion character :( so ill make a backup later today
Last edited by Crocalu; Apr 18 @ 3:47am
Arani Apr 18 @ 3:59am 
Haven't played Elden Ring in years, just came here to check how it's doing.

Much as I love FromSoft games it's worth pointing out that these same hacks have been a thing ever since Dark Souls (2011) almost 15 yrs ago. I can't even remember how many of them I bumped into in Dark Souls 3. There at least we got the Blue Sentinel mod. Btw in DS3 the hacks were so bad they could breach your OS & compromise your entire PC! The mod creators warned the devs of this for YEARS with FromSoft doing absolutely nothing about it, until it got to a point where they had to shut down the entire multiplayer part of the game for several months before fixing this critical flaw.

It's really something ridiculous that we're here now. 14 years and several games later... same game-destroying & save-ruining hacks & exploits, and nothing's changed.

We're *WAY* past the point of any real reasons nvm. excuses. Honestly I'm glad Elden Ring's popularity is bringing a spotlight to this issue. Just wished it would finally lead to actual change too.

tldr; If you can't make a multiplayer bare minimum safe & reliable? Don't make a multiplayer. This level of negligence to customer experience & safety feels like it's bordering on criminal, imo.
Last edited by Arani; Apr 18 @ 4:00am
Originally posted by SHOCKNUTZ:
I just sent this thread to bandai. If you haven't already written a review on the store page go ahead. You can also scroll down to to the flag on the right side of the store page and flag it as fraud.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3461182693

FromSoft lets chaos happen. They profit from fanboy loyalty and dodge accountability while:

-Not adding real save protection

-Ignoring widespread cheat issues

-Giving no recovery tools

-Letting players suffer the same fate over and over

Even WoW has an unstuck tool for players who get stuck in-game in weird places.

Here's a funny one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1j1tyua/did_i_just_get_hacked_on_in_elden_ring/
I just got the DLC last week… I have completed it FOUR times now… and not once have I gotten to fight CONSORT RADAHN. everytime a hacker comes in and insta kills him. Worst one yet has been during the Solitude knight fight at the start. Just as I enter the fogwall it says an invader has come, frame rate drops to 10, suddenly I receive YMIR, dragon priestess, Leda, and consort radahn item sets and rewards. Neat. New record, I was 5 minutes into the DLC this run and now I get to start it all over with a new character or NG+++.

FOUR TIMES IVE started the DLC, and I have yet to fight Radahn. It takes me 20hours of gameplay (if my main and only goal is the DLC) to get to the DLC. I have a character with over 150hrs, and I have not been allowed to fight Radahn thanks to hackers. This is messed up. The first 2 DLC runs I got into the boss fight aren’t with Radahn, but hackers ended it before Radahn could finish his opening move.
I commend your persistence but have they lifted a finger on this?
High Caliber Hate (Banned) Apr 18 @ 1:53pm 
So... no hope of them fixing this huh?
That's great... That's just swell...
Originally posted by High Caliber Hate:
So... no hope of them fixing this huh?
That's great... That's just swell...

Oh there's hope. Especially since there new FromSoft games on the horizon that probably all use the same busted multiplayer network code. They'll have to fix it and hopefully it will make its way back to ER. Otherwise it won't be until some definitive edition or remaster.

Though regardless of EAC's relative ineffectiveness, it really shouldn't be possible for an invader or seemingly friendly cooperator to destroy a host's save file or teleport them below the map. It makes no sense for me to issue a command on my PC that directly affects your location, inventory, or world state and is something that needs better checks and balances. In other words, Fromsoft needs to fix their netcode or hire an outside company to fix it for them.
Originally posted by nfinite.recursion:
Originally posted by High Caliber Hate:
So... no hope of them fixing this huh?
That's great... That's just swell...
In other words, Fromsoft needs to fix their netcode or hire an outside company to fix it for them.

it was already done. blue sentinel protected players from a wide range of things. then fromsoft decided to go with EAC.

so all of these invasion hackers ruining save files. it's been going on since the release of ER in 2022. it's been going on with previous titles prior to ER. fromsoft does not care.
1100011 Apr 18 @ 7:00pm 
Originally posted by High Caliber Hate:
I just wanted to co-op.... ):
So do I but I'm staying offline till I've got a dedicated gaming PC again. Some even say EAC itself is a liability as it's got core access.
This would be so easy to solve for fromsoft. They could simply make it so that the game creates up to 5 or 10 backups, let's say, 1 every 10 minutes. When all slots are full the game overwrites the oldest backup. Maybe add a "recover from backup" option in the menu.
Maybe they are worried about players duping items, but people already do that with manual backups, so nothing will change in that regard.
Lylliana of Mirrah (Banned) Apr 18 @ 10:19pm 
send a tons of tickets to bandai namco if you guys wants to see anything change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75HqFkrzE6k
Last edited by Lylliana of Mirrah; Apr 18 @ 10:20pm
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