Good early bleed builds.

[richjez]

Yo wsp fellow elden ringers! Today I propose a question to the. What is a good bleed build i should go for after having killed rennala and starting to take on Radahn?

I currently have

Lv. 51
nagakiba +8
carian knight armor,
radagon's soreseal, green turtle talisman, twinblade talisman
Lone wolves summon
bloodflame blade

What should I change? What should i search for? Should i be figthing radahn? Any advice would be helpful, Thanks.

[psilocybe]

Radahn is level 90' ish? on ng.

At about 60, you can let the summons in that area solo the boss.
So, you're probably pretty set as is.. just don't get hit by him.

unless you're talking about the dlc radahn.
in which case, you should prolly just uninstall.

[richjez]

Originally posted by psilocybe:

Radahn is level 90' ish? on ng.

At about 60, you can let the summons in that area solo the boss.
So, you're probably pretty set as is.. just don't get hit by him.

unless you're talking about the dlc radahn.
in which case, you should prolly just uninstall.

Well im fighting regular radahn and I dont wanna use summons [they spawn players right?]
I wanna fight and beat the game legit. As for the level thing I saw people recomend fighting him from 40-60, [is that true?] I currently fought him 2 times and on my second i have gotten him to 4/5ths of his health and learned to avoid his starting attacks sorta

[psilocybe]

It will be difficult at 50. I think. That's a later game area.. kinda.. like a half-way point.

In Radahn's arena.. there are npc summons, near piles of axes and flags.. (prefab assets) ect...
Those are what i'm talking about.

As long as the flag of the area-section is lit up (glowing sprite graphic in the sky),
the npc summon sign will respawn over-time.
You can run out of them, though... if they die too many times.

[richjez]

Originally posted by psilocybe:

It will be difficult at 50. I think. That's a later game area.. kinda.. like a half-way point.

In Radahn's arena.. there are npc summons, near piles of axes and flags.. (prefab assets) ect...
Those are what i'm talking about.

As long as the flag of the area is lit up (glowing sprite graphic is sky), the npc summon sign will respawn over-time.
You can run out of them, though... if they die too many times.

ahh so i get what you mean. So how might I level up then? should i focus on another boss? I got a fair amount of the lyndel area explored but not much (i got volcano mansion, killed queen maggy and god skin apostle.)

[Kalamir]

You should get a different summon. if Low FP, Imps have good survivability and help on Bleed. Mimic aside, all the other great summons cost 100=130 ish FP.

Soreseal past Liurnia will make you very squishy. Try to phase it out.

Twinblade only boost the last hit of your R1 Chains. Winged Sword Insignia will give you more consistent DMG boost.

+6 Nagakiba is low a upgrade level for Liurnia, let alone Caelid. Getting to +9/+12 (or +4 Somber) would be more in line for the area.

If your using Bloodflame, that tells me your not using a Arcana build. Nagakiba is not the strongest Katana but darn if it is not the longest & best in class for that alone. Bleed rewards fast, paired weapons like Curved Swords, Claws, Backhand Blades but don't let that from stopping you in using the Best in Class Katana. Piercing Fang can be a bit of a trap, since Impaling trust does most of what it does but faster. Don't sleep on Unsheathe, it is very good.

[psilocybe]

Originally posted by richjez:

. So how might I level up then? (i got volcano mansion)

If you can handle the volcano area, you should be fine for radahn.
they are roughly same level enemies.

literally, like.. what is the probably with radahn? are you getting killed too quickly?
I think you'll win, if you keep trying at it. He's not a bad guy.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by richjez:

Yo wsp fellow elden ringers! Today I propose a question to the. What is a good bleed build i should go for after having killed rennala and starting to take on Radahn?

I currently have

Lv. 51
nagakiba +8
carian knight armor,
radagon's soreseal, green turtle talisman, twinblade talisman
Lone wolves summon
bloodflame blade

What should I change? What should i search for? Should i be figthing radahn? Any advice would be helpful, Thanks.

RL50 is fine for Radahn if up to this point the only thing you very leveling up was Vigor. You should have 35 for him, at least, and that's without the soreseal. With soreseal - you are truly good to go.
Weapon's... Fine? Let me check (...) Yeah, fine, mostly. A couple more upgrades won't make the weather.

Twinblade Talisman is a pretty crappy talisman for most light weapons - probably should change that for something else. Like, anything. Just to remind you - it adds +45% damage to the last attack of Light Attack Combo, and only that. The problem is: most actually dangerous enemies will not let you get there, unless you use the stagger to R1 combo them instead of a Riposte (assuming you actually have stamina for it). But eh, one of my characters is wearing 24/7 for canonical reasons, so who am i to complain...

You do not have stats right now for a proper bleed build. You are just a katana user with bleed as a bonus, unless you put a Blood affinity on it. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't... For a true bleed build you'll need to invest into ARC first, like until it hits 40, and you're just not in a position to do that yet. Vigor first, everything else later.

TL:DR: If your vigor is above 30 right now (soreseal not counting) - you are good to fight the guy. I advise fighting him on horseback rather than on foot, although that is viable too - but requires practice, as all bosses do. He's not that bad once you get to know him, but has a couple of attacks that catch you by surprise.

[richjez]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by richjez:

Yo wsp fellow elden ringers! Today I propose a question to the. What is a good bleed build i should go for after having killed rennala and starting to take on Radahn?

I currently have

Lv. 51
nagakiba +8
carian knight armor,
radagon's soreseal, green turtle talisman, twinblade talisman
Lone wolves summon
bloodflame blade

What should I change? What should i search for? Should i be figthing radahn? Any advice would be helpful, Thanks.

RL50 is fine for Radahn if up to this point the only thing you very leveling up was Vigor. You should have 35 for him, at least, and that's without the soreseal. With soreseal - you are truly good to go.
Weapon's... Fine? Let me check (...) Yeah, fine, mostly. A couple more upgrades won't make the weather.

Twinblade Talisman is a pretty crappy talisman for most light weapons - probably should change that for something else. Like, anything. Just to remind you - it adds +45% damage to the last attack of Light Attack Combo, and only that. The problem is: most actually dangerous enemies will not let you get there, unless you use the stagger to R1 combo them instead of a Riposte (assuming you actually have stamina for it). But eh, one of my characters is wearing 24/7 for canonical reasons, so who am i to complain...

You do not have stats right now for a proper bleed build. You are just a katana user with bleed as a bonus, unless you put a Blood affinity on it. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't... For a true bleed build you'll need to invest into ARC first, like until it hits 40, and you're just not in a position to do that yet. Vigor first, everything else later.

TL:DR: If your vigor is above 30 right now (soreseal not counting) - you are good to fight the guy. I advise fighting him on horseback rather than on foot, although that is viable too - but requires practice, as all bosses do. He's not that bad once you get to know him, but has a couple of attacks that catch you by surprise.

My vigor is currently is 26, and the rest of is in dexterity. I'll be sure to change TwinBlade as it was kinda just one of the few talismans i owned and it sounded good. How do i tell if I have a blood affinity? Is arc short for arcane?

[richjez]

Originally posted by psilocybe:

Originally posted by richjez:

. So how might I level up then? (i got volcano mansion)

If you can handle the volcano area, you should be fine for radahn.
they are roughly same level enemies.

literally, like.. what is the probably with radahn? are you getting killed too quickly?
I think you'll win, if you keep trying at it. He's not a bad guy.

Volcano area tho was kinda a rush for me as i let my wolves be fodder asI killed maggy and the god skin apostle

[richjez]

Originally posted by Kalamir:

You should get a different summon. if Low FP, Imps have good survivability and help on Bleed. Mimic aside, all the other great summons cost 100=130 ish FP.

Soreseal past Liurnia will make you very squishy. Try to phase it out.

Twinblade only boost the last hit of your R1 Chains. Winged Sword Insignia will give you more consistent DMG boost.

+6 Nagakiba is low a upgrade level for Liurnia, let alone Caelid. Getting to +9/+12 (or +4 Somber) would be more in line for the area.

If your using Bloodflame, that tells me your not using a Arcana build. Nagakiba is not the strongest Katana but darn if it is not the longest & best in class for that alone. Bleed rewards fast, paired weapons like Curved Swords, Claws, Backhand Blades but don't let that from stopping you in using the Best in Class Katana. Piercing Fang can be a bit of a trap, since Impaling trust does most of what it does but faster. Don't sleep on Unsheathe, it is very good.

Originally posted by Kalamir:

You should get a different summon. if Low FP, Imps have good survivability and help on Bleed. Mimic aside, all the other great summons cost 100=130 ish FP.

Soreseal past Liurnia will make you very squishy. Try to phase it out.

Twinblade only boost the last hit of your R1 Chains. Winged Sword Insignia will give you more consistent DMG boost.

+6 Nagakiba is low a upgrade level for Liurnia, let alone Caelid. Getting to +9/+12 (or +4 Somber) would be more in line for the area.

If your using Bloodflame, that tells me your not using a Arcana build. Nagakiba is not the strongest Katana but darn if it is not the longest & best in class for that alone. Bleed rewards fast, paired weapons like Curved Swords, Claws, Backhand Blades but don't let that from stopping you in using the Best in Class Katana. Piercing Fang can be a bit of a trap, since Impaling trust does most of what it does but faster. Don't sleep on Unsheathe, it is very good.

I cant get imps as I dont own the dlc. What is peircing fang tho? Als oi can be sure to ge tthe talisman you recomended

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by richjez:

My vigor is currently is 26, and the rest of is in dexterity. I'll be sure to change TwinBlade as it was kinda just one of the few talismans i owned and it sounded good. How do i tell if I have a blood affinity? Is arc short for arcane?

Yes, ARC is short for Arcane. All "true" bleed builds require that thing, because special effects (such as Bleed) scale with it.
Your goal is to have MINIMAL stat investment into your weapon of choice and then have everything else dumped into ARC, unless your weapon is some kind of STR/ARC or DEX/ARC hybrid (mostly relates to Somber weapons, the ones you can't swap AoW and Affinity on).

You can tell which affinity your weapon currently is by at its' name:
it will say something like "Keen Uchigatana +8" or "Blood Uchigatana +8".
If its just "Uchigatana +8" - then you currently have no special affinity applied and just running with Standard.

Affinities can be changed when swapping Ashes of War.
Specific Ashes of War apply specific Affinities. Later you will find items that will expand your choice and allow apply Blood affinity with almost any AoW, but for now - you just have to settle for an AoW that does it instead.
The most obvious one i can think of is the "Bloody Slash" that can be acquired by defeating a mad knight at the top of Fort Haight, South-East of Weeping Peninsula.
That AoW, if applied your katana, will grant you a choice to keep the Standard affinity and only change the skill, or swap to Blood affinity, which will:
1) Reduce base and scaling damage across the board (your attack will not hit as hard):
2) Double down on Bleed status effect, causing it to stack up a lot faster, making it your only source of damage.
This, of course, means that you'll be somewhat in trouble if your current opponent is, somehow, entirely immune to Bleeding. Thankfully Radahn is not one of them.

Later down the line you will find and unlock Occult Affinity, which is unique:
1) It will scale Damage of your weapon with your ARC;
2) But it will still SLIGHTLY improve scaling of the Bleed / other effects as well. Not as much as pure Blood affinity, but good enough.
This will allow you to take the best of both worlds: deal damage AND proc bleed. Of course: only works on weapons that already have Bleed by default. Like pretty much all Katanas, those damn edgy sticks...

[richjez]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by richjez:

My vigor is currently is 26, and the rest of is in dexterity. I'll be sure to change TwinBlade as it was kinda just one of the few talismans i owned and it sounded good. How do i tell if I have a blood affinity? Is arc short for arcane?

Yes, ARC is short for Arcane. All "true" bleed builds require that thing, because special effects (such as Bleed) scale with it.
Your goal is to have MINIMAL stat investment into your weapon of choice and then have everything else dumped into ARC, unless your weapon is some kind of STR/ARC or DEX/ARC hybrid (mostly relates to Somber weapons, the ones you can't swap AoW and Affinity on).

You can tell which affinity your weapon currently is by at its' name:
it will say something like "Keen Uchigatana +8" or "Blood Uchigatana +8".
If its just "Uchigatana +8" - then you currently have no special affinity applied and just running with Standard.

Affinities can be changed when swapping Ashes of War.
Specific Ashes of War apply specific Affinities. Later you will find items that will expand your choice and allow apply Blood affinity with almost any AoW, but for now - you just have to settle for an AoW that does it instead.
The most obvious one i can think of is the "Bloody Slash" that can be acquired by defeating a mad knight at the top of Fort Haight, South-East of Weeping Peninsula.
That AoW, if applied your katana, will grant you a choice to keep the Standard affinity and only change the skill, or swap to Blood affinity, which will:
1) Reduce base and scaling damage across the board (your attack will not hit as hard):
2) Double down on Bleed status effect, causing it to stack up a lot faster, making it your only source of damage.
This, of course, means that you'll be somewhat in trouble if your current opponent is, somehow, entirely immune to Bleeding. Thankfully Radahn is not one of them.

Later down the line you will find and unlock Occult Affinity, which is unique:
1) It will scale Damage of your weapon with your ARC;
2) But it will still SLIGHTLY improve scaling of the Bleed / other effects as well. Not as much as pure Blood affinity, but good enough.
This will allow you to take the best of both worlds: deal damage AND proc bleed. Of course: only works on weapons that already have Bleed by default. Like pretty much all Katanas, those damn edgy sticks...

Really? I thought investing in weapons would be ideal lol. I currently use keen nagakiba with double slash, i do already own the blood thing as i accidently got it from the mad knight. What should I do about my stats tho? Should i go ahead and invest in Arcane after investing in vigor? Should i try to reset my stats?

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by richjez:

Really? I thought investing in weapons would be ideal lol. I currently use keen nagakiba with double slash, i do already own the blood thing as i accidently got it from the mad knight. What should I do about my stats tho? Should i go ahead and invest in Arcane after investing in vigor? Should i try to reset my stats?

Considering that you're using Radagon's Soreseal right now...

I would go to Relanna and do the following:
>Vigor to 35 (will become 40 with soreseal for nice round 1450 HP that will last you quite a while);
>Mind and Endurance to preference;
>Dump everything you have to spare into ARC (don't forget FTH for that Bloodflame Blame if you intend on continuing using it: please read ahead).

Option A: Switch Uchi's affinity to Occult for maximum effect. Occult Ashes of War tends to be at the very bottom of the list, if you have any.
There's a Whetstone that will unlock it as an option for most AoWs, but by pure irony - i think defeating Radahn is actually a requirement to get it...

Option B: Switch Uchi's affinity to Bleed for maximum Bleeding, but keep a Plan-B weapon that is either Standard or Occult, in case you meet something that is immune to Bleed and needs actual damage.
Oooh, actually! Have you acquired Regalia of Eochaid, by any chance? That thing is perfect for that, no AoW needed.
Needs 18 DEX though (13 with Soreseal).

Option C: Keep your Uchi Standard, but keep buffing with that Bloodflame Blade.
Note: Bloodflame does not increase bleeding dealt directly, but rather causes a debuff on hit that procs a specified amount of bleed over time and it does NOT scales with ARC in any way.
The extra Fire damage does scale with FTH though, not that it tends to matter. You're here for bleeding, after all.
The main job ARC will be doing here is increasing Uchi's stock Bleed effect. Which is subpar, honestly, but you're early enough into the game for it to not matter...

Note: neither Bleed nor Occult affinities can be buffed with additional buffs, so Bloodflame Blade will be out of a job once you switch to them.
Or you can keep it for that Plan-B damage dealer weapon.


Once ready - you can start leveling up VIG/END/STR/DEX to levels you actually need and drop using Soreseal entirely (to lose the weakening effect).
Usually happens around Level 100.

[Artek [General]]

Either all of that, or just commit to being a DEX user with Keen affinity and keep bleed (Bloodflame included) as a pleasant bonus. Honestly - that's more reliable and less prone to just stopping working when meeting wrong enemy.

[richjez]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by richjez:

Really? I thought investing in weapons would be ideal lol. I currently use keen nagakiba with double slash, i do already own the blood thing as i accidently got it from the mad knight. What should I do about my stats tho? Should i go ahead and invest in Arcane after investing in vigor? Should i try to reset my stats?

Considering that you're using Radagon's Soreseal right now...

I would go to Relanna and do the following:
>Vigor to 35 (will become 40 with soreseal for nice round 1450 HP that will last you quite a while);
>Mind and Endurance to preference;
>Dump everything you have to spare into ARC (don't forget FTH for that Bloodflame Blame if you intend on continuing using it: please read ahead).

Option A: Switch Uchi's affinity to Occult for maximum effect. Occult Ashes of War tends to be at the very bottom of the list, if you have any.
There's a Whetstone that will unlock it as an option for most AoWs, but by pure irony - i think defeating Radahn is actually a requirement to get it...

Option B: Switch Uchi's affinity to Bleed for maximum Bleeding, but keep a Plan-B weapon that is either Standard or Occult, in case you meet something that is immune to Bleed and needs actual damage.
Oooh, actually! Have you acquired Regalia of Eochaid, by any chance? That thing is perfect for that, no AoW needed.
Needs 18 DEX though (13 with Soreseal).

Option C: Keep your Uchi Standard, but keep buffing with that Bloodflame Blade.
Note: Bloodflame does not increase bleeding dealt directly, but rather causes a debuff on hit that procs a specified amount of bleed over time and it does NOT scales with ARC in any way.
The extra Fire damage does scale with FTH though, not that it tends to matter. You're here for bleeding, after all.
The main job ARC will be doing here is increasing Uchi's stock Bleed effect. Which is subpar, honestly, but you're early enough into the game for it to not matter...

Note: neither Bleed nor Occult affinities can be buffed with additional buffs, so Bloodflame Blade will be out of a job once you switch to them.
Or you can keep it for that Plan-B damage dealer weapon.


Once ready - you can start leveling up VIG/END/STR/DEX to levels you actually need and drop using Soreseal entirely (to lose the weakening effect).
Usually happens around Level 100.

I think i'll go with option B or C. those both sound like great ideas. I dont believe i have Regalia of Eochaid tho