Is this a good build for malenia

[jcjchdjdj]

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[nfinite.recursion]

Is this a good build for malenia

lol no

1. 60 VIG if you don't know what to really expect from Malenia.

2. Pick 1 offensive stat. Quality/Hybrid builds aren't worth it unless you're about RL200 or higher. Pure STR builds get a bunch of points to base defense. Pure DEX builds maximize damage with Hookclaws.

3. Using Soreseals/Scarseals are a massive no-no at this point in the game. The extra damage you take doesn't balance with the extra VIG it provides.

4. The Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman is the best physical defense talisman in the game and it's in the church with the elevator that takes you down to Malenia. Malenia deals pure physical damage. Get it. Equip it.

5. Eat crab. Seriously, eat crab.

6. Light roll. All that armor doesn't mean jack. Better to dodge. Light roll is perfect for dodging Waterfowl and for reacting to and countering Malenia's moves.

7. Equip some throwing knives. In phase 1 at 66% and 33% health, Malenia becomes much more likely to perform Waterfowl Dance. Put some distance between yourselves and toss some throwing knives to bait out Waterfowl. Immediately start running away as soon as she goes into her stance.

[LuckyCheshire]

Everything nfinite said is good advice. I'd also recommend swapping out the claws entirely, they're not going to be an efficient counter to her. Big and heavy is a great choice if you want to stick with melee combat, Malenia's biggest weakness is her utter lack of poise. Also as an alternative/corollary to throwing knives, craft some Frost Pots. A single pot will proc Frostbite on her and knock her out of her current animation, which includes Waterfowl Dance. The timing might take a little practice, but the payoff is worth it.

[Lizard Ears]

Stat increasing talismans like the heirloom ones are always subpar when it comes to increasing damage, and should only really be used to hit stat requirements. I'd recommend swapping them out and replacing one of them with one of the rewards from Millicent's quest, if you did that.

[EF_Neo1st]

Malenia can be beaten even with the worst builds possible.
Dodge with lightroll is an absolute must have as it helps with getting away from her combos.
60 VIG is .... extra safety, it is doable with 30 (not getting 1shot) so 60 VIG may grant 1 extra hit in relation to the 48 VIG you already have (that may already grant you getting hit 2x without getting killed or maybe 3x without getting killed by lighter hits, meaning 60 VIG may grant you 1 extra hit on top of that).

Other than that is "to keep your cool" (not going for despair moves or dodge spam neither "being over aggressive yourself on Malenia) and treat Waterfowl as "a triple AoE combo but you can step into the AoE by dodging into it" and trusting the dodge (that is better with light roll).

Sure, with light roll you may survive 1 hit less? Yes, but you will get hit less often too so in the end light roll is safer as Malenia is a fast attacker when she is attacking and may rollcatchg you on medroll.

[LuckyCheshire]

OP, if you haven't figured out yet, ignore the person that keeps spamming stuff. They're just trolling and don't know what they're talking about.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by 8osmosis:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Malenia can be beaten even with the worst builds possible.
Dodge with lightroll is an absolute must have as it helps with getting away from her combos.
60 VIG is .... extra safety, it is doable with 30 (not getting 1shot) so 60 VIG may grant 1 extra hit in relation to the 48 VIG you already have (that may already grant you getting hit 2x without getting killed or maybe 3x without getting killed by lighter hits, meaning 60 VIG may grant you 1 extra hit on top of that).

Other than that is "to keep your cool" (not going for despair moves or dodge spam neither "being over aggressive yourself on Malenia) and treat Waterfowl as "a triple AoE combo but you can step into the AoE by dodging into it" and trusting the dodge (that is better with light roll).

Sure, with light roll you may survive 1 hit less? Yes, but you will get hit less often too so in the end light roll is safer as Malenia is a fast attacker when she is attacking and may rollcatchg you on medroll.

"Other than that is "to keep your cool"

When you give some bad advice to people, I wonder if you actually try to make them feel bad. What is this supposed to mean keep your cool ? Bro keep cool bro and she will kneel down. You think Malenia is on a date with main character and whoever not keeping cool date is over ?

To dont spam dodge in despair neither to attack her out of spite in rage, lol. What is "keep your cool" for you? To fight her with a smile in your face?

Oh no, wait .. you wrote more...

Originally posted by 8osmosis:

Lol. Keep your cool. Fantastic idea that Malenia especially will appreciate.

This doesn't go by who is cool.

You literally considered I said "look cool"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahrBOvz1jzA

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by 8osmosis:

Nah you just gave bad advice. Thought you were cool. I instead gave a demo case of one of the deadliest lightning incantations in the game, so easily forgotten. At endgame stats this is a boss killer to say the least. You can cast this with eyes closed and collect boss remembrances to make a soup out of them

OP asked if his build is good to go.
Yes it is (given skill), not it is not (given lack of skill) but it is not needed to go and change build to whatever else with incantation, magic or whatever else "just because", OP just need to rely on dodge, positioning and not overdoing, simple as that, everything else is "change your build", what is not necessary at all... even because OP did not ask for other builds, asked about his own build, and OP did not even told anything about experience with Malenia (how many times OP tried, how far OP have gone into the bossfight, etc, let alone "I am tired of this build, give me a new one", what is basically what you are doing).

The only other real proper post here was this one:

Originally posted by nfinite.recursion:

Is this a good build for malenia

lol no

1. 60 VIG if you don't know what to really expect from Malenia.

2. Pick 1 offensive stat. Quality/Hybrid builds aren't worth it unless you're about RL200 or higher. Pure STR builds get a bunch of points to base defense. Pure DEX builds maximize damage with Hookclaws.

3. Using Soreseals/Scarseals are a massive no-no at this point in the game. The extra damage you take doesn't balance with the extra VIG it provides.

4. The Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman is the best physical defense talisman in the game and it's in the church with the elevator that takes you down to Malenia. Malenia deals pure physical damage. Get it. Equip it.

5. Eat crab. Seriously, eat crab.

6. Light roll. All that armor doesn't mean jack. Better to dodge. Light roll is perfect for dodging Waterfowl and for reacting to and countering Malenia's moves.

7. Equip some throwing knives. In phase 1 at 66% and 33% health, Malenia becomes much more likely to perform Waterfowl Dance. Put some distance between yourselves and toss some throwing knives to bait out Waterfowl. Immediately start running away as soon as she goes into her stance.

Where nfinite add a few stuff to OP build but dont really change how OP is playing and keep most of OP build, is something that dont require a massive change in gameplay style like all the spam you did (that could be more concise and within 1 single post too instead of multiple posts one afte the other).

Are you giving options? Yes, but that is about it.

[RollerPig]

i dunno, claws can be pretty sick. Bleed still OP in PvE.

love me an arcane build but that is not it.

min 45 arcane. not sure on STR with heavy , i'de probably stay dex/bleed affinity with arcane (except with the chicken leg thing from Shadow of Erdtree)

use dragon incantations when she blooms

Talismans for fast weapons like claws i'de definitly use Rotten winged insignia, lord of bloods exultation with erdtree +1 and dragon crests great sheild for defense

mixed physic id probably go with bubble tear and thorny cracked tear. Would almost guarantee you to phase 2 if you learn her basic move set

I would dump about 15 endurance and wear lighter armor. put those points in faith for flame grant me strength and flame cleanse me

minimum str

and get either the ash of war for golden vow or bump faith to 25 and use the incantation

other than that the above advice is solid

get ready for the pain

edit: your wayyyy under leveld. I advice hit level 135 before going

GL!

[Casual Amateur]

Hmm... Depend on how people want to play their game. Ether this user want to be a muscle head kill it less then few hits for silly amusement.

Or...... Want to be that guys wearing a pot head don't get hit 99% of the times and beat whole game for fun.

[Casual Amateur]

Originally posted by 8osmosis:

Power creep. It is called in rpg games - power creep. You start strong as warrior but you can't be strong from A to Z. Similarly magic users can't be strong start to finish. They squemish at first until they power creep and laught at everyone's face at the end, especially the Great Ones like Malenia and Malekith. This is their power. Elden Ring does not fail the power creep law in rpg games.

I do remember some youtuber went out of their way to kill every boss in 1 hit for fun. Yeah it did happen. I don't remember very well. It probably in new game plus.

(edit)Oh..... It was not new game plus after all. Oh my... Even though that video is like 2 years old though.

[jcjchdjdj]

Thank you for the advice i had no clue light roll was different i just thought it was either heavy or not heavy roll. I might have forgot to add information so I will say it here
This is first playthrough so I have no clue what I’m doing
Hookclaws are insane and I will never take them off
I am mainly asking for help with levels, talismans, and armor
I want to have fun and not one shot the boss
I would rather have high attack than high defense (so Radagons soreseal is staying on)
I also don’t have the dlc

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by jcjchdjdj:

Thank you for the advice i had no clue light roll was different i just thought it was either heavy or not heavy roll. I might have forgot to add information so I will say it here
This is first playthrough so I have no clue what I’m doing
Hookclaws are insane and I will never take them off
I am mainly asking for help with levels, talismans, and armor
I want to have fun and not one shot the boss
I would rather have high attack than high defense (so Radagons soreseal is staying on)
I also don’t have the dlc :mirosbird:

DLC would start making a character lvl 150 feel like a fresh new lvl 1 or lvl 10 character
Bosses are also more aggressive and combo more with more AoE.

[nfinite.recursion]

Originally posted by jcjchdjdj:

Thank you for the advice i had no clue light roll was different i just thought it was either heavy or not heavy roll. I might have forgot to add information so I will say it here
This is first playthrough so I have no clue what I’m doing
Hookclaws are insane and I will never take them off
I am mainly asking for help with levels, talismans, and armor
I want to have fun and not one shot the boss
I would rather have high attack than high defense (so Radagons soreseal is staying on)
I also don’t have the dlc :mirosbird:

Hookclaws are indeed great and they're what I use on my RL138, WL+25 co-op/invasion build.

You don't necessarily need to respec, but those talismans aren't helping very much. Radagon's Soreseal is causing you to take +15% more damage per hit while not raising your VIG or damage output by the same degree. Malenia hits like a truck, so Soreseals/Scarseals are pretty pointless unless you can reliably avoid damage.

The big boon for Hookclaws and other fast attacks weapons generally isn't base damage, but proccing status effects. Since Hookclaws have native bleed buildup, you can boost it by switching its affinity, applying Bleed Grease, or casting Bloodflame Blade.

I didn't mention it before, but the Determination Ash of War is a bad choice for Malenia. You'll survive her attacks, sure, but remember that every attack she lands on you awards her with health. It's best to avoid as much of her damage as possible. Using Bloodhound Step allows you to very quickly move out of her attack range and makes avoiding most or all of Waterfowl Dance's first flurry easy. You can also use it offensively by BHSing right up to her and using a light attack to start a combo chain.