why this game's pvp is so trash compared to ds3 and ds2?

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

just a thought.

[Artek [General]]

I mean... It's pretty standard for the franchise - PvP is just universally bad in these games because eventually people figure out some stupid OP meta and just do nothing but that, the meta in question aimed to not let the opponent play either by killing them instantly or stunlocking.

The biggest offender this time around is Bleed, however. Everyone runs bleed, even Greatsword users. It's insufferable. Powerstancing is kinda cringe too. No one wants to fight fair and proper, it's just switch to dual Reduvias and weeeeeee.

Bleed should've been nerfed long ago to deal half the damage it deals now. With how easily it can be proceed with right builds - it would be totally reasonable and not automatically make any bleed weapon an S-tier.

[Dr. Frasier Crane]

Because Miyazaki never cared for it.
And the reason why Dark Souls 2 pvp stands head and shoulders above the others.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Artek General님이 먼저 게시:

I mean... It's pretty standard for the franchise - PvP is just universally bad in these games because eventually people figure out some stupid OP meta and just do nothing but that, the meta in question aimed to not let the opponent play either by killing them instantly or stunlocking.

The biggest offender this time around is Bleed, however. Everyone runs bleed, even Greatsword users. It's insufferable. Powerstancing is kinda cringe too. No one wants to fight fair and proper, it's just switch to dual Reduvias and weeeeeee.

Bleed should've been nerfed long ago to deal half the damage it deals now. With how easily it can be proceed with right builds - it would be totally reasonable and not automatically make any bleed weapon an S-tier.

tbh many things in the past games still counter-able if you know your tools and weapons. tbh the huge problem of souls pvp is the trash netcode. but tbh elden ring has lot more issues than past games. past games's issue are mostly netcode problems.

plus the unpunishable stuffs elden ring has just outnumbered the thing the past games can punish.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Dr. Frasier Crane님이 먼저 게시:

Because Miyazaki never cared for it.
And the reason why Dark Souls 2 pvp stands head and shoulders above the others.

for real how come a game despised by everybody has a pvp where even a joke builds are able to fight back against meta thrusting swords is beyond my expertise.

[echo_ML]

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

Dr. Frasier Crane님이 먼저 게시:

Because Miyazaki never cared for it.
And the reason why Dark Souls 2 pvp stands head and shoulders above the others.

for real how come a game despised by everybody has a pvp where even a joke builds are able to fight back against meta thrusting swords is beyond my expertise.

Who's everyone? Ds2 haters are in the minority nowadays.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

echo_ML님이 먼저 게시:

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

for real how come a game despised by everybody has a pvp where even a joke builds are able to fight back against meta thrusting swords is beyond my expertise.

Who's everyone? Ds2 haters are in the minority nowadays.

for real? thank God people finally change

[Artek [General]]

echo_ML님이 먼저 게시:

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

for real how come a game despised by everybody has a pvp where even a joke builds are able to fight back against meta thrusting swords is beyond my expertise.

Who's everyone? Ds2 haters are in the minority nowadays.

Are they? That game's still iffy, no matter how you look at it. ADP is still there, description is still not fixed to mention I-frames, enemies still have sus hitboxes on occasions.

The only explanation is that people simply forgot how bad it could get.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Artek General님이 먼저 게시:

echo_ML님이 먼저 게시:

Who's everyone? Ds2 haters are in the minority nowadays.

Are they? That game's still iffy, no matter how you look at it. ADP is still there, description is still not fixed to mention I-frames, enemies still have sus hitboxes on occasions.

The only explanation is that people simply forgot how bad it could get.

the hitbox was already debunk.
https://youtu.be/5qj-Ubd-rZQ

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Artek General님이 먼저 게시:

echo_ML님이 먼저 게시:

Who's everyone? Ds2 haters are in the minority nowadays.

Are they? That game's still iffy, no matter how you look at it. ADP is still there, description is still not fixed to mention I-frames, enemies still have sus hitboxes on occasions.

The only explanation is that people simply forgot how bad it could get.

you just need 22 adp not much to be able to survive the entire game but yeah the stats is just too important. i think people just need to stop complaining about these and just simply adapt and overcome even if the stuffs in it feels iffy.

[psilocybe]

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

just a thought.

The open world, is pretty much what kills it for me.

There is all this space and verticality, yet very few options to actually maneuver around in it.
So, most pvp incounters devolve to rolling to the other side of the map and back. (like that so-so pontiff area, that everyone likes)
In the open world thats... yeah.... I just quit out when i see them run off into the woods.


In the souls game, there are a lot of arbitrary 'in-between gates' blocking the path of any given-player. If someone is running, eventually they are backed into a corner.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

psilocybe님이 먼저 게시:

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

just a thought.

The open world, is pretty much what kills it for me.

There is all this space and verticality, yet very few options to actually maneuver around in it.
So, most pvp incounters devolve to rolling to the other side of the map and back. (like that so-so pontiff area, that everyone likes)
In the open world thats... yeah.... I just quit out when i see them run off into the woods.


In the souls game, there are a lot of arbitrary 'in-between gates' blocking the path of any given-player. If someone is running, eventually they are backed into a corner.

ahh yeah the host running away type of crap after their lackeys is dead. or the type that only running around in circle being passive. tbh that's why i prefer the old wolf area for dueling. for invading i prefer crucifixion woods

[Artek [General]]

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

I think people just need to stop complaining about these and just simply adapt and overcome even if the stuffs in it feels iffy.

I'm sorry, but I think you can see how "people should just deal and adapt to the game not being well-made" is not a compelling argument.

DS2:SotFS was my first soulslike ever and the one that started the addiction: I played through it multiple times and have fond memories of it, but I also fully concede that it earned the title of "the ugly duckling of the family" fair and square and most criticisms of it are accurate to this day.
But PvP is not one of them, some-f*king-how.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Artek General님이 먼저 게시:

Lylliana of Mirrah님이 먼저 게시:

I think people just need to stop complaining about these and just simply adapt and overcome even if the stuffs in it feels iffy.

I'm sorry, but I think you can see how "people should just deal and adapt to the game not being well-made" is not a compelling argument.

DS2:SotFS was my first soulslike ever and the one that started the addiction: I played through it multiple times and have fond memories of it, but I also fully concede that it earned the title of "the ugly duckling of the family" fair and square and most criticisms of it are accurate to this day.
But PvP is not one of them, some-f*king-how.

that video has debunk the hitbox argument. yeah some features maybe ass but he game is still playable