bleeding build and madness build too op?

[Notouchy]

need expert help here, how can i defend my self against these 2 op builds bleeding and madness, so one dude invaded me and landed 3 hits ( only one hit actualy landed ) and i got that madness thing then i got one shot, what kind of a easy op ♥♥♥♥ is this, 1 hit landed and i died? also there was this another dude killed me with one move ( double super bleeding kata ) and i got one shotet from bleeding effect, im not here to nag about it just wanna find a way to stand a chance against these easy op ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up builds. any idea? some armor shield talisment somthing? ty

[Carthias]

You can't. Bleed is horrendously overtuned on almost all weapons in both PvE and PvP(RoB, Godskin Peeler, elenoras Poleblade, any weapon with seppeku). Madness is also clearly bugged/over-tuned with the perma one-shot chain with just 40-50 arcane with dragon seal.


In B4 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cry how bleed is totally balanced doing 20 less AR than non bleed weapons but also proccing a 15-20% true damage nuke + stun every x attacks is fair.

[Sparhawk 59]

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

[Heimdall313]

Originally posted by Sparhawk 56:

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

Parry is hard but its also really funny.

But mostly, its overcentralizing and requires basically absurd measures or investment (turtle with dozens of stanching bolus, god-tier buckler skills, or a coordinated ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of spell timing) that the RoB spammer literally wins by the attrition of making you run ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Sparhawk 59]

Originally posted by Heimdall313:

Originally posted by Sparhawk 56:

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

Parry is hard but its also really funny.

But mostly, its overcentralizing and requires basically absurd measures or investment (turtle with dozens of stanching bolus, god-tier buckler skills, or a coordinated ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of spell timing) that the RoB spammer literally wins by the attrition of making you run ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

After 50 threads of people crying about Rob it's hilarious to keep reading more crying about it to be honest. Yes bleed is powerful but it's not the best op builds prob about 5th or 6th from what I've read

[SmallGespenst]

the counterplay is being significantly better than your opponent to the extent that they can't even land ghost-hits. obviously that's highly impractical, hence why they run that broken nonsense.

For status that can build in a single combo there's no real counter-measures. with resistance charms you might survive one combo, but then you need to use a bolus and that's leaving yourself open. madness is even worse than bleed since if it procs you're stunned for a lengthy window, so it's a complete death sentence.

[Sparhawk 59]

2 scenarios. 1 your being invaded only happens when you summon so 2v1 add the hunter ring 3v1. senario 2 your invading so one else's game then its 2v1 min against you then as op said learn adapt overcome

Originally posted by SmallGespenst:

the counterplay is being significantly better than your opponent to the extent that they can't even land ghost-hits. obviously that's highly impractical, hence why they run that broken nonsense.

For status that can build in a single combo there's no real counter-measures. with resistance charms you might survive one combo, but then you need to use a bolus and that's leaving yourself open. madness is even worse than bleed since if it procs you're stunned for a lengthy window, so it's a complete death sentence.

[Notouchy]

Originally posted by Sparhawk 56:

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

sure parrying can save you but since you may get one shoted its alot of pressure on you, thats what make this complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that dude spam a ♥♥♥♥♥ move over and over again while you have to counter it with actual skill... if you dont ♥♥♥♥ it up ofcurse

[Notouchy]

what burns me up is this ppl actualy dont do jack, they just do the same ♥♥♥♥♥ move over and over again, either its jump attack or runing attack.... a monkey can do that. for real ! thing is on a normal run of the mill build this method is not really good, but with those op build its one shot ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Originally posted by Sparhawk 56:

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

Outspace and wait for the WA combo to be done then run in with rapier or long range melee weapon and poke the guy to death.

seen more guys using RoB on meta even host and phantom

[Sparhawk 59]

Originally posted by BloodyFinger Leliana:

Originally posted by Sparhawk 56:

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

Outspace and wait for the WA combo to be done then run in with rapier or long range melee weapon and poke the guy to death

from a pvp player

[Notouchy]

Originally posted by BloodyFinger Leliana:

Originally posted by Sparhawk 56:

A lot of pvp players are learning to counter the bleed players. You can parry them so I read so players who cry about bleed need to git gud and stop crying rivers

Outspace and wait for the WA combo to be done then run in with rapier or long range melee weapon and poke the guy to death.

seen more guys using RoB on meta even host and phantom

worth to try,that dude defently change his crapy style

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Originally posted by Notouchy:

Originally posted by BloodyFinger Leliana:

Outspace and wait for the WA combo to be done then run in with rapier or long range melee weapon and poke the guy to death.

seen more guys using RoB on meta even host and phantom

worth to try,that dude defently change his crapy style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx2iTgiR0h8&t=343s
11:10 Min

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

i have other video that i haven't upload yet. i fought a host that use RoB