Why use cheese in a duel?

[Tobr]

Like 90% of the people dueling at the "main academy gate", are using cheese weapons or ashes of war lmao. Also like half the people here heal after they get hit once and act like the duel is still going on.

Isn't the whole point of a duel to get better? Not use a crutch? If you lose, then you lose, don't be a sore loser about it. The exception is that if you heal, then crouch a few times and then use all your heals and restart the fight. A host with 14 flasks fighting a red with 7 flasks is cheese, and its sad if you need that much of a crutch.

Maybe you guys are all noobs or something, so i'll list the currently known cheese:

Bloodhound step (AOW), Rivers of blood (AOW), Colossal sword crouching R1 spam, Stars of ruin spam (spell), Spear running attack spam, swarm of flies spam (spell), fingerprint shield usage.

Feel free to add onto the list if you feel I missed anything.

[the Witch-King of Angmar]

Originally posted by Shiggieb00:

Originally posted by the Witch-King of Angmar:

Correct.. because this isnt a fighting game. It isnt a PVP game.. this is an open world RPG.. It shouldnt have to be balanced for PVP if that is not the main attraction.

See, it shouldn't be balanced toward pvp, but that doesn't mean it cannot have balanced pvp, the two are not incompatible.

Proof: literally all dmg reduction rings which they are very much confortable dropping from 10 percent effectivity to a mere 5 percent, when facing against another player, if they can do it with that they can do exactly the same with everything else.

As you've stated it is a singleplayer experience first and foremost, so if you're not comfortable with such changes would they exist, then you simply don't need to interact with the online. :)

[Bees?]

Originally posted by King Geedorah:

is poking with a colossal really considered cheese? seems a little touchy OP

It isn’t cheese, but it is very annoying. A colossal weapon should fight like a colossal weapon. It just feels like they may as well equip a spear instead if all they want to do is crouch-poke. It’s nice that colossal swords are now more competitively viable than ever, but it’s sad that the only way From could do it is by turning them into Great Spears.

[Pyro Penguin]

spear running attack spam? do you even know what jump attacks are? lol

[the Witch-King of Angmar]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

spear running attack spam? do you even know what jump attacks are? lol

sadly, the tracking is that good for most stabbing weapons

I miss DS3 back when freeaiming was fun

[PK_Thunder]

Originally posted by King Geedorah:

is poking with a colossal really considered cheese? seems a little touchy OP

You don't understand. You see, OP is the absolute bestest, so anything that consistently beats him has to be cheese and this totally isn't a skill gap issue.

[APN34Z]

You must be new to PVP.

If you want a duel go set it up with friends, PVP is about winning, not letting you decide what is fair, there is next to no balance in this game just like all the others, this is a PVE game with PVP added as a sugar coating!

[Bees?]

Originally posted by Physickl:

You must be new to PVP.

If you want a duel go set it up with friends, PVP is about winning, not letting you decide what is fair, there is next to no balance in this game just like all the others, this is a PVE game with PVP added as a sugar coating!

You must be new to the Dark Souls series.

There is such a thing as honor, you know? Refusing to use the top-of-the-line meta isn’t a requirement, it’s just good manners.

You’re not a cool big guy because you use a Rivers of Blood or dual-wield Cross-Naginatas. You’re just a loser who can’t resist your neurotic urge to be as efficient as possible. Like eating dinner with friends and scarfing down your food instantly; technically not wrong, but completely ignorant of social conventions.

[APN34Z]

Originally posted by Bees?:

Originally posted by Physickl:

You must be new to PVP.

If you want a duel go set it up with friends, PVP is about winning, not letting you decide what is fair, there is next to no balance in this game just like all the others, this is a PVE game with PVP added as a sugar coating!

You must be new to the Dark Souls series.

There is such a thing as honor, you know? Refusing to use the top-of-the-line meta isn’t a requirement, it’s just good manners.

You’re not a cool big guy because you use a Rivers of Blood or dual-wield Cross-Naginatas. You’re just a loser who can’t resist your neurotic urge to be as efficient as possible. Like eating dinner with friends and scarfing down your food instantly; technically not wrong, but completely ignorant of social conventions.

Noob gamer 🤣

[Bees?]

Originally posted by Physickl:

Originally posted by Bees?:

You must be new to the Dark Souls series.

There is such a thing as honor, you know? Refusing to use the top-of-the-line meta isn’t a requirement, it’s just good manners.

You’re not a cool big guy because you use a Rivers of Blood or dual-wield Cross-Naginatas. You’re just a loser who can’t resist your neurotic urge to be as efficient as possible. Like eating dinner with friends and scarfing down your food instantly; technically not wrong, but completely ignorant of social conventions.

Noob gamer 🤣

“No, no, I like sitting alone during lunch at school. No distractions. I can focus on my meal.” You were the type of dude to hum “pumped up kicks” under your breath in the halls weren’t you lmao

[Qubert]

Durp durp, people want to win

[Bees?]

Originally posted by Qubert:

Durp durp, people want to win

Short-sighted and cancerous. Your kind are a tumor.

[Qubert]

Originally posted by Bees?:

Originally posted by Qubert:

Durp durp, people want to win

Short-sighted and cancerous. Your kind are a tumor.

Yet durp durp describes the majority of post. That makes the entirety of Elden Ring forums a cancer.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Because cheese is part of the game and every game will have griefers. It's up to FromSoft to deter cheese with decent matchmaking.

I consider cheese bringing stuff like Rivers of Blood dual curved swords kept purposely at +0 as cheese: stuff that's taking advantage of players who just don't have a build going yet in the starting area of the game.

[Bees?]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Because cheese is part of the game and every game will have griefers. It's up to FromSoft to deter cheese with decent matchmaking.

I consider cheese bringing stuff like Rivers of Blood dual curved swords kept purposely at +0 as cheese: stuff that's taking advantage of players who just don't have a build going yet in the starting area of the game.

Honestly, I don’t have a problem with dual curved swords, since they’re so short. Rather, a much bigger problem are dual spears, specifically the Cross-Naginata. Range, speed, damage, and bleed buildup, all at the same time.

[Dragonirian]

People want to win therefore people are using what's effective.