Why use cheese in a duel?

[Tobr]

Like 90% of the people dueling at the "main academy gate", are using cheese weapons or ashes of war lmao. Also like half the people here heal after they get hit once and act like the duel is still going on.

Isn't the whole point of a duel to get better? Not use a crutch? If you lose, then you lose, don't be a sore loser about it. The exception is that if you heal, then crouch a few times and then use all your heals and restart the fight. A host with 14 flasks fighting a red with 7 flasks is cheese, and its sad if you need that much of a crutch.

Maybe you guys are all noobs or something, so i'll list the currently known cheese:

Bloodhound step (AOW), Rivers of blood (AOW), Colossal sword crouching R1 spam, Stars of ruin spam (spell), Spear running attack spam, swarm of flies spam (spell), fingerprint shield usage.

Feel free to add onto the list if you feel I missed anything.

[miguel101senpai]

Publicado originalmente por ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ:

If Fingerprint Shield is cheese, then prepare for trouble, and make it double.

THE WALL

[hoax]

PC gamers have been conditioned by competitive FPS and MOBAs to always have play to win mentality

[13R0KEN]

The funniest thing ever is getting a friend with the fingerprint shield, a godskin stitcher and both playing hyper aggressive

[13R0KEN]

Publicado originalmente por Doge 2:

PC gamers have been conditioned by competitive FPS and MOBAs to always have play to win mentality

lol what do you play to lose?

[Shiggieb00]

Publicado originalmente por Gray:

Publicado originalmente por Crow's Eye:

You can't tell people what to use or not to use. The problem is this game is just poorly balanced, for both PvE and PvP. Dark Souls 2 PvP was so much better.

Splish Splash your opinion is trash
ds2 is regarded as the worst in the series and it's way clunkier than any other title

I love the idiot fart sniffer mentality like yours..

You think youre so much better than other people...

MMMmm.. Ahhhhh but of course my good man... MMMMMMhmmmm You see Dahhhhrk Sols 2 was hhhhhhighly regahhhded as the least favorable in tehhhms of.. Uhh PVP... mmmmmmmm

Like, shut the hell up.. Dark Souls 2 was awesome. It had a huge variety, the world was the best.. it was a great game... It was a Dark Souls "tunnel" format that felt like an open world.

[13R0KEN]

Publicado originalmente por Shiggieb00:

Publicado originalmente por Gray:

Splish Splash your opinion is trash
ds2 is regarded as the worst in the series and it's way clunkier than any other title

I love the idiot fart sniffer mentality like yours..

You think youre so much better than other people...

MMMmm.. Ahhhhh but of course my good man... MMMMMMhmmmm You see Dahhhhrk Sols 2 was hhhhhhighly regahhhded as the least favorable in tehhhms of.. Uhh PVP... mmmmmmmm

Like, shut the hell up.. Dark Souls 2 was awesome. It had a huge variety, the world was the best.. it was a great game... It was a Dark Souls "tunnel" format that felt like an open world.

Just pvp? nah man it was regarded as the worst overall in gameplay, aesthetic, story, mechanics etc etc
go cry to reddit or smth about how neither i or a large amount of people don't like your favorite game

damn i really got you triggered over that huh lol

[Spooky]

Bushido in PvP. What madness is this ..

[Shiggieb00]

Publicado originalmente por Gray:

Publicado originalmente por Shiggieb00:

I love the idiot fart sniffer mentality like yours..

You think youre so much better than other people...

MMMmm.. Ahhhhh but of course my good man... MMMMMMhmmmm You see Dahhhhrk Sols 2 was hhhhhhighly regahhhded as the least favorable in tehhhms of.. Uhh PVP... mmmmmmmm

Like, shut the hell up.. Dark Souls 2 was awesome. It had a huge variety, the world was the best.. it was a great game... It was a Dark Souls "tunnel" format that felt like an open world.

Just pvp? nah man it was regarded as the worst overall in gameplay, aesthetic, story, mechanics etc etc
go cry to reddit or smth about how neither i or a large amount of people don't like your favorite game

damn i really got you triggered over that huh lol

I dont care if a large amount of idiots dont think it was good... a large amount of idiots think bruce jenner is a woman, does that make it true? No.

It was definitely the best of the souls games. The only reason anyone liked 3 is because it was ultra casual so it brought millions more people in and they spent a billion dollars on the graphics rather than figuring out the gameplay. So the gameplay sucked, but was great for people WHO sucked.

[Stygian Ikazuchi]

Publicado originalmente por 2tasty2placebo:

Publicado originalmente por < blank >:

Entirely your choice, stop crying about "problems" arising from your own decisions.

pfp is accurate

accurate to you maybe lmao. Whats ur pvp build? Cause it sounds like you're getting defensive about cheese builds. Maybe try Git Gud?

Stop gate-keeping builds. After the last patch, the variety of builds has greatly increased so we're not seeing Rivers of Blood+Moonveil builds 50% of the time. Also fingerprint shield is stupid easy to get past. Elemental damage. I can literally kill them through the shield with the electric roll.

[Stygian Ikazuchi]

Publicado originalmente por Bees?:

Publicado originalmente por Shiggieb00:

How do you "cheese" in this game? Its literally not possible.. Everyone is playing on the same level. Everyone is matched on the same level, on the same playing field.. Cheesing is not possible.

Carian Retaliation is an ability that lets someone throw down a glintstone scrap, parry it, then summon a duelist. When the duelist is summoned, they cannot see Carian Retaliation. Then they die instantly. It takes just one hit. This is an exploit. This is cheese.

Rivers of Blood is a katana you get in the Mountaintop of the Giants. Its ability- Corpse Piler- is a quick combo with about three meters of range, very long in a duel. It does insane bleed buildup, so, even if you were to dodge it, you will stagger, and immediately be hit by it again. This is cheese.

Frenzied Burst is an Incantation. In exchange for just a couple points of Madness, someone can shoot a laser beam from their eye for an incredible distance. If you roll into it, even if it doesn’t hit you, you will still get Madness buildup. If the one firing Frenzied Burst has enough Arcane, it will stunlock, instantly settling every fight. This is cheese.

Animation Skip Glitches are possible with both sorceries and incantations. For incantations, they’ll do something like a running attack with Carian Slicer, then instantly drop a Comet. For incantations, they will do a running attack with Catch Flame, then suddenly nuke you with Theodrix’s Magma- Twice. If they have enough Incant scaling, this is a true combo- and, a guarunteed oneshot. This is an exploit, and it is cheese.

Dummy.

Carian Retaliation glitch doesn't work anymore. It was patched the same day you mentioned this.

From what I heard, Rivers of Blood got a stealth nerf that lowered its speed and bleed build-up.

Frenzied Burst was nerfed on how much build up it causes.

Are you sure they're animation skip glitches and not just spell-chaining?

[Bees?]

Publicado originalmente por Stygian Ikazuchi:

Publicado originalmente por Bees?:

Carian Retaliation is an ability that lets someone throw down a glintstone scrap, parry it, then summon a duelist. When the duelist is summoned, they cannot see Carian Retaliation. Then they die instantly. It takes just one hit. This is an exploit. This is cheese.

Rivers of Blood is a katana you get in the Mountaintop of the Giants. Its ability- Corpse Piler- is a quick combo with about three meters of range, very long in a duel. It does insane bleed buildup, so, even if you were to dodge it, you will stagger, and immediately be hit by it again. This is cheese.

Frenzied Burst is an Incantation. In exchange for just a couple points of Madness, someone can shoot a laser beam from their eye for an incredible distance. If you roll into it, even if it doesn’t hit you, you will still get Madness buildup. If the one firing Frenzied Burst has enough Arcane, it will stunlock, instantly settling every fight. This is cheese.

Animation Skip Glitches are possible with both sorceries and incantations. For incantations, they’ll do something like a running attack with Carian Slicer, then instantly drop a Comet. For incantations, they will do a running attack with Catch Flame, then suddenly nuke you with Theodrix’s Magma- Twice. If they have enough Incant scaling, this is a true combo- and, a guarunteed oneshot. This is an exploit, and it is cheese.

Dummy.

Carian Retaliation glitch doesn't work anymore. It was patched the same day you mentioned this.

From what I heard, Rivers of Blood got a stealth nerf that lowered its speed and bleed build-up.

Frenzied Burst was nerfed on how much build up it causes.

Are you sure they're animation skip glitches and not just spell-chaining?

I’m glad that those things got patched, but no, there is a difference between a spellchain and an animation skip. Let me give you an example that you can try for yourself.

Equip Catch Flame, then Theodrix’s Magma. Do a sprinting attack with CF, then immediately cast TM. What happens is that, without the Wyrm’s head ever appearing, you instantly- and I mean INSTANTLY- conjure up a magma ball dealing ~1,000 damage from a little wave of your hand. You can follow it up with yet another TM, which true-combos.

This works on a couple other incantations, like Black Blade, but it’s projectile doesn’t shoot out, and Honing Bolt / Lightning Strike, which work as normal.

Oh, another fun animation bug (not really an exploit, just silly looking) is casting Honed Bolt x2 -> Black Blade. You’ll do the horizontal slash animation, but your feet won’t leave the ground, making your upper body twist like you’re made of silly putty.

[the Witch-King of Angmar]

Publicado originalmente por oldirty`:

Maybe its time to accept that pvp is trash from a competitiv point of view?
Its not the people doing it wrong, its the game. I know its hard to accept...

[DeuceBane]

is poking with a colossal really considered cheese? seems a little touchy OP

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Publicado originalmente por King Geedorah:

is poking with a colossal really considered cheese? seems a little touchy OP

Most arguments against cheese are usually just scrubby rants. for any game.

If anything, you should be using cheese in a duel bc with a duel, you're really playing to win. I don't duel or do pvp in this game but I just feel like that's how I'd treat it.

[Shiggieb00]

Publicado originalmente por the Witch-King of Angmar:

Publicado originalmente por oldirty`:

Maybe its time to accept that pvp is trash from a competitiv point of view?
Its not the people doing it wrong, its the game. I know its hard to accept...

Correct.. because this isnt a fighting game. It isnt a PVP game.. this is an open world RPG.. It shouldnt have to be balanced for PVP if that is not the main attraction.