Dev Change the fighting style of the pike/spear shield stance

[Len's]

Totally not that way people are fighting with spear and shield , you don't thrust on the side of the shield but above , fix this.

[TTVV88]

Overarm is way more tiring. Plus you're not using your spears as missile weapons in this game, so that's not necessary.

Now because I've spoken the truth, FromSoft will never ever change the animations for you. Sorry!

[Kaga]

I mean there were historical shields with curves on the sides for that exact style of fighting, so...

[The Icecream Snowman]

I'm about 90% sure real life Doppelsoldners didn't use their Zweihander or flammenschwert the same way we do in the game. There are games for historical accuracy and there are games for smacking people with swords the size of Warwickshire. Elden Ring is the latter.

Also, the Romans used the greatshield/javelin/shortsword combo. Their strategy was to step forward then jab the buy in front of your mate to your right.

[NightUndead]

Originally posted by The Icecream Snowman:

I'm about 90% sure real life Doppelsoldners didn't use their Zweihander or flammenschwert the same way we do in the game. There are games for historical accuracy and there are games for smacking people with swords the size of Warwickshire. Elden Ring is the latter.

Also, the Romans used the greatshield/javelin/shortsword combo. Their strategy was to step forward then jab the buy in front of your mate to your right.

What?! Are you telling me knights didn't rush into battle swinging their Zweihander from side to side?!

[Len's]

even classical age understood how to use pike and spear . overarm have more power and it cover more your body ,side thrust have very less power . im talking about shield and spear .not 2 handed spear stance

anyway made in japan

[Amereth]

that isn't 100% true. it all depend on your fighting stance and on the shield you are using.


a lot of shield in history has been made to allow the spear to be used on the side, but not all of them.

aspis for an example wasn't always round and sometimes came with holes on the side shaped like an half moon. those hole allowed fighters to poke from the side or any angle of their choice while still offering moderate protection.

Greatshield were too heavy and normally fighters would use the ground to help support the weight. Those shield normally come with a specific design that allow the spear to rest on the top of the shield.

[RobAlca]

op is actually right on this one
everyone knows that in old times people on deers would never fought dragons using that spear movements

[Tao314zdin]

Given what character can do with weapons that seemingly weight above 50 (some looking on all 200) kg I do not think that logic is applicable there.

If anything it seems that tarnished body has some magical limitations on the speed it can move with so the holding position does not decide anything but the angle of the attack (because final impact speed is not defined by the applied force due to the aforementioned limitation).

[Len's]

Originally posted by Amereth:

that isn't 100% true. it all depend on your fighting stance and on the shield you are using.


a lot of shield in history has been made to allow the spear to be used on the side, but not all of them.

aspis for an example wasn't always round and sometimes came with holes on the side shaped like an half moon. those hole allowed fighters to poke from the side or any angle of their choice while still offering moderate protection.

Greatshield were too heavy and normally fighters would use the ground to help support the weight. Those shield normally come with a specific design that allow the spear to rest on the top of the shield.

find me a crescent shield in game,this is what i tough
so right now in game same as hop lite , round shield and tower shield.
there only 1 stance in game and this why i ask them to add it
maybe they dont want to add it because it will be to OP.

[Amereth]

Originally posted by Lenfer:

Originally posted by Amereth:

that isn't 100% true. it all depend on your fighting stance and on the shield you are using.


a lot of shield in history has been made to allow the spear to be used on the side, but not all of them.

aspis for an example wasn't always round and sometimes came with holes on the side shaped like an half moon. those hole allowed fighters to poke from the side or any angle of their choice while still offering moderate protection.

Greatshield were too heavy and normally fighters would use the ground to help support the weight. Those shield normally come with a specific design that allow the spear to rest on the top of the shield.

find me a crescent shield in game,this is what i tough
so right now in game same as hop lite , round shield and tower shield.
there only 1 stance in game and this why i ask them to add it
maybe they dont want to add it because it will be to OP.

perfumer shield and redmane greeatshield even erdtree greatshield has a little hole on the side for the side poking...

if your focus is only on kite shield and the average great shield, yeah i can see why you want a different style.

round shields aren't made for spears, so a lot of the shield in the game aren't even relevant.

[VadeN]

Yeah, It's a game made by japanese.
They mostly thrusted from their hips outward while you'd normally hold your spears in a throwing position (unless bracing for impact or using it as a pole/polearm in a two handed position).

Also, letting it rest against the top of your shield makes it easier to aim and is less cumbersome.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Kaga:

I mean there were historical shields with curves on the sides for that exact style of fighting, so...

Theres actually one in this very game, i think its the one Radahn knights use.

[HTJA]

What the heck you are on about? Both over and underarm grip have been used when fighting with a spear and shield in real life. Neither is right or wrong. Also for example with boss-held shields you can even thrust UNDER the shield, not just sides and above...

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about lol. From realism standpoint there is so much wrong with From Software games that I don't understand how you managed to come up with a complaint that is completely invalid in that regard.