Playing without spirit ashes is eye-opening

[MULTIPASS]

I knew I wasn't the greatest Souls player, but going back through the game without the spirit summoning bell is kind of shocking. I'm not too proud to admit that I coasted through 90% of the content with a mechanic that made the bosses ignore me most of the time. Any fight is easy when your enemy doesn't attack you.

Seriously, have you experienced this? The leonine misbegotten of castle Morne humbled me. Every other time my jellyfish would tank him while I pew-pew'ed from safety, and that strategy basically held up all the way through Malenia, Malekith, and Radagon.

I don't have anything against summons, and I don't think I would have made it through the game without using them the first time, but it's undeniable how radically they change the game.

[bustamanteverde]

There is a reason they are in the game. Many bosses are designed with using spirit ashes. Maliketh, Margit, and etc.. they are so fast and jump around you need something to distract them to land some hits. No shame at all in using what the game provides. We need to get rid of that elite attitude of not using skill, items, and etc...the game provides us

[Noeat]

Originally posted by bustamanteverde:

There is a reason they are in the game. Many bosses are designed with using spirit ashes. Maliketh, Margit, and etc.. they are so fast and jump around you need something to distract them to land some hits. No shame at all in using what the game provides. We need to get rid of that elite attitude of not using skill, items, and etc...the game provides us

nope
there isnt any boss what was designed around spirits.. spirit always break AI
use what you want, but dont lie about it, dont dream up excuse and try somehow justify it by lies.
nobody care if you use spirits or not

[Tao314zdin]

Originally posted by bustamanteverde:

Many bosses are designed with using spirit ashes.

That is just copium, the rest is true though.

They are also great speeding tool when you just want to faceroll the game for fast-collection of items.

[Drukaris]

turns out elden ring is actually pretty hard if you turn off easy mode

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by bustamanteverde:

There is a reason they are in the game. Many bosses are designed with using spirit ashes. Maliketh, Margit, and etc.. they are so fast and jump around you need something to distract them to land some hits. No shame at all in using what the game provides. We need to get rid of that elite attitude of not using skill, items, and etc...the game provides us

nope
there isnt any boss what was designed around spirits.. spirit always break AI
use what you want, but dont lie about it, dont dream up excuse and try somehow justify it by lies.
nobody care if you use spirits or not

I kind of agree partly with both of you, but the summons definitely break bosses. I kept hearing about how hard certain fights would be (Malenia, Malekith, etc), but they were honestly trivial with a beefy summon tanking them while I nuked with weapon arts. Occasionally they would attack me and I would switch into dodge mode until the spirit took over aggro. After beating them, I felt like I hadn't really engaged the content.

[DarkStarClassic]

Another ELITE lol. It seems bragging is making a comeback in 2022.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by DarkStarClassic:

Another ELITE lol. It seems bragging is making a comeback in 2022.

Not me, I admitted to getting rolled by the castle Morne boss. I honestly doubt I'll make it through all bosses without summons, I'm just trying.

[CJones]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by bustamanteverde:

There is a reason they are in the game. Many bosses are designed with using spirit ashes. Maliketh, Margit, and etc.. they are so fast and jump around you need something to distract them to land some hits. No shame at all in using what the game provides. We need to get rid of that elite attitude of not using skill, items, and etc...the game provides us

nope
there isnt any boss what was designed around spirits.. spirit always break AI
use what you want, but dont lie about it, dont dream up excuse and try somehow justify it by lies.
nobody care if you use spirits or not

Obviously you do care.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

The beauty of souls is in the flexibility...you can define what the journey means to you. If you need help, you can level up more. If you want a challenge, you try to control what tools you rely on. You can rely on fashion souls over function. Whatever.

If you're not proud over what you did, that's less a comment about the game, and just more about the unfortunate reality that you played the game in a way you simply didn't enjoy.

If you're not entirely convinced of your own frustration, consider that also the situation is not even that simple It's not as simple as summons-easy, no summons-hard. A lot of people speak generally about these things, but it also makes a difference what level you were, what weapon were you using, how were you fighting etc.

For instance, I used jellyfish against margitt. I guarantee my fight was a lot more challenging than it was for some other people based on the way they've described their experiences vs what I was using at the time.

Now, obviously, you got the ppl who can beat the game with a Rune Level 1. But that just reinforces my point. The gaming experience is so radically different, so I think in general, this type of elitist-driven talk is hurtful on the whole. At the end of the day, everyone is playing this differently.

I mean lol look at everyone saying to pump vigor to 40 or 60. That also really changes what you can do during these fights too, right? But it's not something to feel bad about either. To each their own.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by orksmith:

Originally posted by Noeat:

nope
there isnt any boss what was designed around spirits.. spirit always break AI
use what you want, but dont lie about it, dont dream up excuse and try somehow justify it by lies.
nobody care if you use spirits or not

I kind of agree partly with both of you, but the summons definitely break bosses. I kept hearing about how hard certain fights would be (Malenia, Malekith, etc), but they were honestly trivial with a beefy summon tanking them while I nuked with weapon arts. Occasionally they would attack me and I would switch into dodge mode until the spirit took over aggro. After beating them, I felt like I hadn't really engaged the content.

thats correct..
i mean it is not "bad" ..every souls game from FS have tons of tools how to trivialize that game. souls games were always about make your own difficulty. now it is only more visible.

and for sure - nothing wrong on beat game with spirits.. and when you feel you want more challenging run, then try it without them. take it like advantage that you already know what bosses do.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by CJones:

Originally posted by Noeat:

nope
there isnt any boss what was designed around spirits.. spirit always break AI
use what you want, but dont lie about it, dont dream up excuse and try somehow justify it by lies.
nobody care if you use spirits or not

Obviously you do care.

nope.. i just dont like when ppl lie and make false claims.

[Rai]

Originally posted by orksmith:

Originally posted by Noeat:

nope
there isnt any boss what was designed around spirits.. spirit always break AI
use what you want, but dont lie about it, dont dream up excuse and try somehow justify it by lies.
nobody care if you use spirits or not

I kind of agree partly with both of you, but the summons definitely break bosses. I kept hearing about how hard certain fights would be (Malenia, Malekith, etc), but they were honestly trivial with a beefy summon tanking them while I nuked with weapon arts. Occasionally they would attack me and I would switch into dodge mode until the spirit took over aggro. After beating them, I felt like I hadn't really engaged the content.

Summons only "break" bosses if you assume that the "correct" way to beat a boss is by soloing it. Which is false, because there is no right or wrong way to beat a boss -- if you beat the boss, you beat the boss.

I am consistently baffled by this community that thinks the developers deliberately went through the time and effort to include features... that they supposedly don't want you to use?

You make the claim that ashes "break" boss fights when the developers specifically made it so you can ONLY summon ashes during boss fights... that makes literally 0 sense, I'm sorry.

No, ashes don't break anything but the fragile egos of dew-chugging forum trolls who have interwoven their self-worth with their ability to brag about beating a FromSoft boss solo, something they just can't do now that everyone is realizing that there is literally no point in banging your head against the wall trying to solo a boss (unless you crave the approval of randoms on the forums) when there are so many tools to make it easier.

Maybe I would understand if there were some achievements or secret quests or items that you could earn by beating bosses solo... but it's clear by the fact that FromSoft has NEVER done anything like that in their games that, at the very least the game doesn't care if you play solo or not, and at most it is probably expected that you summon help when you need it.

[Kain]

All bosses and many enemies have delayed attacks or just have erratic movement (ulcerated tree spirit), but if you pay attention you realize they aren't doing much. With a quick dodge you can fell any enemy without spirit ashes.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Rai:

Originally posted by orksmith:

I kind of agree partly with both of you, but the summons definitely break bosses. I kept hearing about how hard certain fights would be (Malenia, Malekith, etc), but they were honestly trivial with a beefy summon tanking them while I nuked with weapon arts. Occasionally they would attack me and I would switch into dodge mode until the spirit took over aggro. After beating them, I felt like I hadn't really engaged the content.

Summons only "break" bosses if you assume that the "correct" way to beat a boss is by soloing it. Which is false, because there is no right or wrong way to beat a boss -- if you beat the boss, you beat the boss.

I am consistently baffled by this community that thinks the developers deliberately went through the time and effort to include features... that they supposedly don't want you to use?

You make the claim that ashes "break" boss fights when the developers specifically made it so you can ONLY summon ashes during boss fights... that makes literally 0 sense, I'm sorry.

No, ashes don't break anything but the fragile egos of dew-chugging forum trolls who have interwoven their self-worth with their ability to brag about beating a FromSoft boss solo, something they just can't do now that everyone is realizing that there is literally no point in banging your head against the wall trying to solo a boss (unless you crave the approval of randoms on the forums) when there are so many tools to make it easier

im afraid.. you make no sense..
i was rly trying find something in your babbling.. something more than few insults.. but it wasnt possible.

anyway, thank you for sharing and take care

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Rai:

Originally posted by Noeat:

im afraid.. you make no sense..
i was rly trying find something in your babbling.. something more than few insults.. but it wasnt possible.

anyway, thank you for sharing and take care

good job at outing yourself at:
a) being too dumb to understand basic english
or
b) having no rebuttal and yet being too dumb and prideful to admit it, so you post something even dumber

either way, your doo-doo opinion has been discarded. thanks, have a nice day :)

mkay..