Why pure STR is so weak?

[Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear]

Compared to cheesium frost/bleed dex or magic which are obviously easier than pure str. Damage output is not even comparable str is so behind.... If I recall correctly pure str was viable in previous games.

What's the point to play strength when you barely do any damage especially late game? Jump attacks are very boring when you spammed 10000 times already.

[Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Enderspoons:

If you ask me, it's all matter of perspective. I played through Dark Souls 1, 2, and 3 with the Greatsword and found its meaty damage well-suited for me. And the Greatsword in Elden Ring does more damage than it ever has in any previous game. I myself took it through (nearly) a full playthrough once I got it (still need to finish).
So, what gives?

What you're probably finding fishy is that all the bosses around you, instead of just you, have really, really dumb HP and damage scaling. It's actually not that bad for the majority of the game, but after you leave Leyndell out the back way it gets positively silly.
Every boss is an endurance test, and it's more or less on you to find the stamina to survive it out.

Bosses also generally have much harder movesets compared to older games. The skill floor demanded of you to be able to pass a boss's fight exam is generally higher than before.

Unlike basically any other build type, the main thing holding Strength back is that you don't really have any way to cheat the system with your limited toolbox.
Strength is arguably the most mentally taxing of all builds, because you have no safety net to fall back on to deal with overwhelming health, damage, or movesets. No status effect buildup, no fast range options, no stupidly busted Ashes of War (mostly): It's just you and your bonk stick.

To that end, I highly recommend you drop a few levels into Faith to pick up a few utility spells, like Flame, Cleanse Me or Beastial Vitality. A build as simple as Strength is often make-or-break based on what sidearms you choose to go along with it.
If you're willing to boost faith up to 27, I strongly recommend you pick up Lord's Divine Fortification. You'll thank me later.


One final tip: Make a detour to Mt. Gelmir and visit the Volcano Cave. There is a weapon there that perfectly complements your build, and you are likely going to need it for at least one battle down the road.

Yeah str+int or str+faith is way stronger than pure str. But why we put point into int and faith instead of str? Because pure str doesn't offer anything special damage wise.

[Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AlmightyDunkle:

For someone who adamantly dislikes this game and constantly rips into it you sure like staying on this forum instead of doing something better with your life, like enjoying something you actually enjoy.

None of your business what I do or don't do with my life.

[antonisvaik]

how is hitting for 2000 with every jump attack (not even counting things like royal knight's resolve) while also procing frostbite weak

[King of Games]

try verifying the game files

[Sonnenbank]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ:

You should try dual daggers without statuses.

exactly

try dex without status proc and you see its close to unplayable.....
while strength without status procs is still okayish.

Dex is only good becaue speed = fast status procs

and as allready said
you can put bleed / frost on heavy weapons

[GrandTickler]

ah another strength thread that needs this posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCpm8JYltE

[Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear]

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ah another strength thread that needs this posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCpm8JYltE

This isn't pure str but nice try anyway.

[GrandTickler]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

Początkowo opublikowane przez GrandTickler:

ah another strength thread that needs this posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCpm8JYltE

This isn't pure str but nice try anyway.

oh u ment pure str as in no vigor? then yeah any (pure) build is gonna fail

[Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear]

Początkowo opublikowane przez GrandTickler:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

This isn't pure str but nice try anyway.

oh u ment pure str as in no vigor? then yeah any build is gonna fail

I mean str+faith and str+int aren't pure strength. Pure str supposed to be str/vigor/endurance and it worked quite well in previous games.

[An Irate Walrus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

Początkowo opublikowane przez GrandTickler:

oh u ment pure str as in no vigor? then yeah any build is gonna fail

I mean str+faith and str+int aren't pure strength. Pure str supposed to be str/vigor/endurance and it worked quite well in previous games.

I smacked Malenia into a constantly-poise-broken-puddle with a pure STR build while two-handing a UGS.

It's a viable build, you just have to resist the urge to unga bunga everything.

...or, y'know, git gud.

[GrandTickler]

Początkowo opublikowane przez An Irate Walrus:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

I mean str+faith and str+int aren't pure strength. Pure str supposed to be str/vigor/endurance and it worked quite well in previous games.

I smacked Malenia into a constantly-poise-broken-puddle with a pure STR build while two-handing a UGS.

It's a viable build, you just have to resist the urge to unga bunga everything.

...or, y'know, git gud.

yeah you can poise lock bosses that int/faith users struggle with so easily on a str build

[vaanomega]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

Początkowo opublikowane przez GrandTickler:

oh u ment pure str as in no vigor? then yeah any build is gonna fail

I mean str+faith and str+int aren't pure strength. Pure str supposed to be str/vigor/endurance and it worked quite well in previous games.

Str/vigor/Endurance still works great, and with the AoW/infusion system, you could use some Dex Weapon with Heavy or ire infusion to make them scale with Str more than Dex, and it will work fine

[Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear]

Początkowo opublikowane przez An Irate Walrus:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

I mean str+faith and str+int aren't pure strength. Pure str supposed to be str/vigor/endurance and it worked quite well in previous games.

I smacked Malenia into a constantly-poise-broken-puddle with a pure STR build while two-handing a UGS.

It's a viable build, you just have to resist the urge to unga bunga everything.

...or, y'know, git gud.

I can't git gud game is too hard not casual friendly at all.

[vaanomega]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez An Irate Walrus:

I smacked Malenia into a constantly-poise-broken-puddle with a pure STR build while two-handing a UGS.

It's a viable build, you just have to resist the urge to unga bunga everything.

...or, y'know, git gud.

I can't git gud game is too hard not casual friendly at all.

Do you play games a lot or not ?
If you do play a lot, then you are not a casual player
If you don't then you are,

[An Irate Walrus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Coccolino_O The Fluffy Bear:

Początkowo opublikowane przez An Irate Walrus:

I smacked Malenia into a constantly-poise-broken-puddle with a pure STR build while two-handing a UGS.

It's a viable build, you just have to resist the urge to unga bunga everything.

...or, y'know, git gud.

I can't git gud game is too hard not casual friendly at all.

You referenced the viability of STR in the earlier games, implying that you've had success with that build in past From titles.

So you're either full of crap, or you're just having trouble adjusting to the pace of ER; it's not any more difficult than any of the other titles, it just requires some pacing adjustment.