EasyAntiCheat *allegedly* bans people who use MSI Afterburner and Logitech G Hub.

[phosTR]

>>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT <<<

First of all, i'm very happy for a Souls game having an anti-cheat system, but i'm reading that this EAC software ***might have been banning people*** for using these two programs.

I use MSI Afterburner all the time to monitor CPU/GPU temps, for my GPU OC and fan control. I have a Logitech mouse/mice and i have this Logitech Hub too.

Not gonna lie, ***if this is true***, it sucks a bit. And no, i'm not complaining about Elden Ring having an anti-cheat system, which is great, but i don't wanna get banned for using MSI Afterburner and i really would like to use it when playing ER.


HERE:
https://www.ginx(dot)tv/en/battlefield/battlefield-2042-players-banned
https://charlieintel(dot)com/ea-reportedly-bans-battlefield-2042-players-using-rgb-software/159321/
On the game RUST:
https://www.reddit(dot)com/r/playrust/comments/87xdwt/just_an_update_my_eac_ban_was_lifted_false_bans/

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***EDIT: Right now in the website of EAC (https://www.easy(dot)ac/en-us/support/) if you go in the CONTACT > TECHNICAL SUPPORT option, in the list of games there isn't Elden Ring to be selected. After the game appears in the list, i suggest anyone who uses these two programs (MSI Afterburner and Logitech G Hub) to try to contact them and ask if these two softwares are allowed to be used in a game that is protected by their system.***
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[RocketMan]

Цитата допису Pike:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

You've just proved it's Ad Hominem, because you deny my arguments solely on the premise I have different opinion on subject.

I denied your argument, not because of your position, but because you are immovable in it. No matter what I were to say or show you, you are firmly planted in your belief. It is thus pointless to argue it. Emotion isn't tied to the conclusion nor am I attacking your character so I don't think you understand the phrase you keep quoting to me.

Technically you are "attacking" his character by proclaiming his closedmindedness on the topic.

That said ad hominem is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuse to tie up an argument. Just make out and ♥♥♥♥ already.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

I guess that he lacks the means to persuade you to change your viewpoint

Well, if he lacks the means to convince me in different viewpoint, that's just him having no arguments to counter one I've provided.

Eh, yeah, pretty much. That's not an attack against your person, though:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Цитата допису Pike:

No point even arguing the legitimacy of macros with you, I searched your name on the Rust forum and it's mostly locked posts with you arguing in favor of macros so there is no changing your mind. End of discussion as it is a derail of the actual discussion on EAC in Elden Ring.

Lol. Ad Hominem. That's how you guys get brainwashed with macros hysteria, you start attacking the messenger personally.

[Captain Pike]

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

I guess that he lacks the means to persuade you to change your viewpoint

Well, if he lacks the means to convince me in different viewpoint, that's just him having no arguments to counter one I've provided.

Your argument is little more than your opinion so you have yet to provide anything of meaning yourself. There is no fact present by you showing that anti-recoil scripts present no advantage, no matter how small the advantage.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Цитата допису Pike:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Well, if he lacks the means to convince me in different viewpoint, that's just him having no arguments to counter one I've provided.

Your argument is little more than your opinion so you have yet to provide anything of meaning yourself

You are literally arguing his opinion. It would contradict your argument, to use his opinion as a weapon against his argument, which is also the premise of your argument.

[Captain Pike]

We can drag this out 50 more pages and it will all be the same crap. I'm ending the discussion here and ignoring any responses on this petty argument.

[Captain Pike]

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

Цитата допису Pike:

Your argument is little more than your opinion so you have yet to provide anything of meaning yourself

You are literally arguing his opinion.

That was the point, he was saying that I had no actual facts when he didn't either.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Цитата допису Pike:

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

You are literally arguing his opinion.

That was the point, he was saying that I had no actual facts when he didn't either.

Facts do serve to support the rationality of one's opinions. Rationale is an important tool in persuading others to see things in a similar subjective light/from a similar angle.

[rusty_dragon]

Цитата допису Mail me to the Moon:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Lol. Ad Hominem. That's how you guys get brainwashed with macros hysteria, you start attacking the messenger personally.

Funny enough I was just looking for my original post on why macros is not cheating to give you the link.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/252490/discussions/0/2626094171911826929/

While I agree with you that they're a non-issue. The fact still remains that macros are advantages and they are considered cheats by the vast majority of people.

That said, I've never had issues beating anyone abusing macros in brawlhalla. Skill always trumped macro-induced string spam

No, unlike real cheats macros don't give you advantage over other players. It's just dumb programmed consequence of pressing bittons. And you are right that skill always wins macros. Every capable player easily develops muscle memory to cancel weapon recoil. And older players tend to use macros mainly to not ovestrain and damage their wrists with cancelling recoil. Because it's a bloody stupid "mechanics" on it's own.

Banning hardware for macros on PC is just DUMB. It's like turning PC into a console. You can use whatever periferal device on PC, you want. This is an atribute of open hardware ecosystem And it's impossible to change that. Hell, one can make macros device himself easily. So such bans don't do anything, it's just shows that developers who do such things are idiots.

[rusty_dragon]

Цитата допису Pike:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Well, if he lacks the means to convince me in different viewpoint, that's just him having no arguments to counter one I've provided.

Your argument is little more than your opinion so you have yet to provide anything of meaning yourself. There is no fact present by you showing that anti-recoil scripts present no advantage, no matter how small the advantage.

If you are saying that factsual arguments I've made are nothing more than my opinion, it doesn't make it less of a fact. Just you denying reality.

I will go and repeat what I've written in that post here:
Removing recoil doesn't give you any advantage over other players. It doesn't make you aim better, or having better skills. It just frees you from building muscle memory of cancelling recoil.

[rusty_dragon]

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Well, if he lacks the means to convince me in different viewpoint, that's just him having no arguments to counter one I've provided.

Eh, yeah, pretty much. That's not an attack against your person, though:

He clearly meant it as an Ad Hominem, and proved it being Ad Hominem in his follow-up post.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

Eh, yeah, pretty much. That's not an attack against your person, though:

He clearly meant it as an Ad Hominem,

No. That's just not true.

[rusty_dragon]

Цитата допису Pike:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

You've just proved it's Ad Hominem, because you deny my arguments solely on the premise I have different opinion on subject.

I denied your argument, not because of your position, but because you are immovable in it. No matter what I were to say or show you, you are firmly planted in your belief. It is thus pointless to argue it. Emotion isn't tied to the conclusion nor am I attacking your character so I don't think you understand the phrase you keep quoting to me.

This is just false and a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ argument. I don't have immovable positions, and always leave room for a doubt. Because my only interest is to find truth. Which is why I argue with reason, instead of debating.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Цитата допису Pike:

I denied your argument, not because of your position, but because you are immovable in it. No matter what I were to say or show you, you are firmly planted in your belief. It is thus pointless to argue it. Emotion isn't tied to the conclusion nor am I attacking your character so I don't think you understand the phrase you keep quoting to me.

This is just false and a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ argument. I don't have immovable positions, and always leave room for a doubt. Because my only interest is to find truth. Which is why I argue with reason, instead of debating.

Okay, I'll agree that the premise of your personal stance as a basis of his argument is in fact an ad hominem... cause yeah. I get where you're coming from now.

I was wrong, and you were indeed right

[rusty_dragon]

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

He clearly meant it as an Ad Hominem,

No. That's just not true.

It is. You can also read through a thread I've linked. Where noone have managed to counter arguments I've provided. With lots of debating and ad hominem attempts(which have also failed).
That's just how much hysteria and brainwashing in subject of "macros is cheating". Most people just can't argue normally right from the start.

[Captain Pike]

Цитата допису rusty_dragon:

Цитата допису CazadorDeLobo:

No. That's just not true.

It is. You can also read through a thread I've linked. Where noone have managed to counter arguments I've provided. With lots of debating and ad hominem attempts(which have also failed).
That's just how much hysteria and brainwashing in subject of "macros is cheating". Most people just can't argue normally right from the start.

He literally just conceded the argument to you bud. I'd argue that arguing a personal stance is not the same as using one's character to argue though as I'm not using your personality or any other trait to argue.