Elden ring's story is terrible compared to wukong

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

First up, don't come in here and tell me to read item descriptions, it's just 1000 hours of vaati you binged will waiting for multiplayer.

No one tells you anything coherent, even the very first sentence you get is still unsolved - you're maidenless, who, why and where? You can dig upwards to the starting area where the dead maiden is, but it's ambiguous at best. Might be a random womam for all we know. So OK, you're the tarnished, back with Godfrey and the gang to take the elden throne, you watched enough vaati to know that, why do you want it, and why do you fight Godfrey for it? Why do you kill everyone? DLC is even worse, you could have left miquella alone, and it would not have affected your objective one bit. Instead, you parachute in, kill poor Messmer, who is literally doing nothing, provoke an old man to spawn Satan in so you can kill him, kill all of Messmer's friends, so you can get to miquella and kill him for what?

Beyond the terrible story, the fact that you have to read vague item descriptions and let vaati guess it for you is terrible. The descriptions are as vague as humanly possible. Go read the one about the bloodhound fang. For all we know, the intent was for the bloodhound knights to be a diss at the one hit wonders, the bloodhound gang. Instead, you need to listen to 100 hours of prepare to cry of something vaati made up sitting on the toilet.

Wukong is hard to decipher, but everything is there. The secret ending tells you the entire journey to the west story pulp fiction style, so everything clicks. You don't even need to read the novel, much less listen to 1000 hours of a guy who makes stuff up to get YouTube clicks. Plus, it's portrayed so artistically, stop motion, IRL models, Anime style mv, castlevania (Netflix) style Anime, plus in game cutscene. It's so rewarding and I can't wait to finish each chapter to see what they cooked up to blow my mind.

What did I get for the 1000 deaths I had to kill radahn? Miquella's just kneeling and uttering undecipherable nonsense as usual. More fooder for a 100 hour vaati vidya. Prepare to cry, miquella was going to bring the age of kindness by lobotomising everyone with his hair, much tragedy, much YouTube revenue for me.

[vamirez]

Publicado originalmente por upset:

Publicado originalmente por Haru:

Factually incorrect.

Okay, no *normal* person with high standards for storytelling plays Elden Ring for the story.

Factually incorrect.

[Fineous🔥]

Publicado originalmente por upset:

Publicado originalmente por Haru:

Factually incorrect.

Okay, no *normal* person with high standards for storytelling plays Elden Ring for the story.

I actually agree. Fellow people of culture with SUBLIME standards plays Elden Ring and other souls enjoying the amazing gameplay while being able to understand and put together the history.

For the rest of people trashing Elden Ring lore and history here you have

https://store.steampowered.com/app/721180/Dustborn/

Join now the 20 people enjoying this narrative masterpiece!

[Zogtar]

Publicado originalmente por upset:

Publicado originalmente por Haru:

Factually incorrect.

Okay, no *normal* person with high standards for storytelling plays Elden Ring for the story.

No Nermies allowed, son.

Garfies, only.

[Haru]

Publicado originalmente por Fineous🔥:

Publicado originalmente por upset:

Okay, no *normal* person with high standards for storytelling plays Elden Ring for the story.

I actually agree. Fellow people of culture with SUBLIME standards plays Elden Ring and other souls enjoying the amazing gameplay while being able to understand and put together the history.

For the rest of people trashing Elden Ring lore and history here you have

https://store.steampowered.com/app/721180/Dustborn/

Join now the 20 people enjoying this narrative masterpiece!

spat out my drink

[Faust Wither]

Well that's all folks, he gets banned.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Publicado originalmente por An Irate Walrus:

Publicado originalmente por Mukemmel:

Terrible post, OP. I was expecting to read about what makes Wukong's story good. Haven't played that yet but seems interesting.

Anyways, ER's story is bad because it's not meant to be anything special. All the story is meant to do is give any reason why these random guys are in these random locations so you can fight them. You don't even get that half the time, like why Astel's twin is in Yelough Tunnel. The story was never meant to be anything more than a tool to spice up the gameplay here and there.

Wukong's story, abridged:

Sun Wukong fights the celestial court. Beats all kinds of ass, until he doesn't (this is literally the opening fight that teaches you basic controls). Transforms into a bird to flee. Is brought down, and becomes a giant stone.

A tribe of monkey guai take up residence around the stone, telling tales of Sun Wukong and awaiting his resurrection.

Eventually, our particular monke is sent forth by an elderly monkey guai to seek the relics of Sun Wukong.

We are given a beating stick. We beat things with the beating stick. Reading Journey to the West would provide definite and deep context for what follows, but the base story is reasonably well fleshed out absent the foundational text it's based on. No item descriptions, just lengthy entries for every minor enemy, mini boss, and major boss you kill.

It's definitely a good time, but it's also a fundamentally different coconut from Elden Ring or any other Souls game.

Reject modernity. Return to monke.

On the contrary both stories share similar strokes.

Premise = the pantheon has gone bad (the Golden Order/Heaven), something is broken (the Elden Ring/Sun Wukong) and the protag is sent to remake what is broken.

The plot = you go and kill the major bosses that hold the MacGuffin and together combined you remake the thing.

The endings: you choose to remake the cycle or embrace the unknown.

Most of background stories are told via monster codexes or items.

The primary difference is that ER is more of power fantasy/hero's journey while Wukong is subversive (good gods are now evil).

I am surprised that there are people who complain about ER's story while praising Wukong's. I wonder if people do understand Black Myth Wukong's story because it is kind of an anti-JttW at its core.

[Di Marco]

Quit yappin

[FallenStar]

Yeah, sadly that's Fromsoft's curse being pretty much unable to tell a story and having the "community" write it up for them and finding out excuses or justification for stuff to make sense.
Out of all Soulslikes by Fromsoft, Bloodborne is probably the only one that somewhat makes sense due to its world building, at least with the blood disease and the church using it initially to heal, but then it turned everyone into a monster.
All other games are smoke to be absorbed by some youtuber and then release it as content for clueless people to try and understand what the heck they just played myself and many others included.

But it's their thing and we all know what we're signing up for at this point.

[Haru]

Fromsoft tell simple stories perfectly fine. Everything else is extra and extrapolation.

[REBirthTheEdge]

Publicado originalmente por FallenStar:

Yeah, sadly that's Fromsoft's curse being pretty much unable to tell a story and having the "community" write it up for them and finding out excuses or justification for stuff to make sense.
Out of all Soulslikes by Fromsoft, Bloodborne is probably the only one that somewhat makes sense due to its world building, at least with the blood disease and the church using it initially to heal, but then it turned everyone into a monster.
All other games are smoke to be absorbed by some youtuber and then release it as content for clueless people to try and understand what the heck they just played myself and many others included.

But it's their thing and we all know what we're signing up for at this point.

Yeah, play actual story games like Sekiro and Armored Core 6, perfectly well-told stories.

Souls games are just hero journey told over and over again with different endings.

[FallenStar]

Publicado originalmente por REBirthTheEdge:

Publicado originalmente por FallenStar:

Yeah, sadly that's Fromsoft's curse being pretty much unable to tell a story and having the "community" write it up for them and finding out excuses or justification for stuff to make sense.
Out of all Soulslikes by Fromsoft, Bloodborne is probably the only one that somewhat makes sense due to its world building, at least with the blood disease and the church using it initially to heal, but then it turned everyone into a monster.
All other games are smoke to be absorbed by some youtuber and then release it as content for clueless people to try and understand what the heck they just played myself and many others included.

But it's their thing and we all know what we're signing up for at this point.

Yeah, play actual story games like Sekiro and Armored Core 6, perfectly well-told stories.

Souls games are just hero journey told over and over again with different endings.

Man, sit down with your attempts at sarcasm.
I can play whatever I want, I'm not bothered by any of these games and I stand by what I've said.
You can justify it as much as you want: a "hero's journey" - sure. You can say that about any game ever.
Does that make it any better in terms of quality story telling?
No.
Does it mean you can't enjoy it?
No.
I've said in my previous comment which was a response to OP.
People know what they sign up for when they go into these games at this point.

[paincanbefun]

Publicado originalmente por Pseudomonarchiadaiymo:

yep, best friends to the end

that's what they were. just good friends. bros help each other out sometimes. it's not gay

[an entire Roman legion]

OP really sat down to write all of this instead of finding a job

[Rethias]

The CCP really astroturfed this game. If it were so good, Wukong would be selling outside China. Instead it's 3.6M Chinese vs like 300k foreign players combined across the world.

Yeah. Okay. Good job China. You sold a game to yourself.

[The_Gay_Agenda]

Proof that parents need to stop telling their children how special and important they are.

Edit- Bro....you have 23 pages of posts in a single year? Holy crap dude...you need a job, and to go outside. Make a damn friend or something. Jesus... Here have an e-hug because now I feel really bad for you.