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Blocking & Parrying question.
Greetings, I recently picked up this game and have been getting the hang of combat (when the game isn't crashing). I am level 30 and have ground out the Gatefront Ruins for a few hours for some weapons and gear sets from the Godrick Soldiers and Kaiden Sellswords. This is my first FromSoft game so I have been taking it slow and getting my ♥♥♥♥ pushed in respectively. I was able to get Margit to 1/4 life after about 20 attempts so I am getting a little better.

My question is when it comes to blocking and parrying is this. When should I use my "Q" parry either the parry itself or the "Wind Wall" ability I put on the shield? I have tried to take on basic soldiers for awhile just to practice blocking hits or what not and cant seem to get the timing down of that one? I assume that it allows for a retaliation attack but the only time I have seen an enemy stagger was when I was able to regular block at just the right time. Also, when do I block at just the right time? There has to be something I am missing as all my parries have been absolute luck. Most of my playing has just been dodging attacks or holding block and soaking damage because if I try and parry I just take full damage because I guess I suck at the timing of it? Every enemy has different timing for their attacks respectively, but I guess I am looking for a guide as WHEN I should slam that block button. I watch movements and memorize move sets, but I just roll out of the way. I don't even really know how to do a visceral (Is that the right word? where you stab them in the face once they are staggered?) Haven't really been able to stagger anyone so I gotta be missing something. I don't mind straight tanking this ♥♥♥♥ with maxed strength and endurance, but that seems super damn boring compared to a ton of the builds I've seen. I just wanna have some fun with my builds instead of "tank" so I need to understand more to blocking.

Thank you and sorry for the long terrible beginner question. I will be back to grinding the Gates here shortly, still trying to figure out what I should do.
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[BEANBAG] (Banned) Sep 3, 2024 @ 7:34pm 
Your ability to parry has a lot to do with what size shield you are suing, the larger the shield the more difficult the timing. Get a smaller shield, The buckler is a decent parry shield and is easy to locate.

To parry, you want to wait until you see the hands of the enemy move towards you before hitting your special to parry the blow and set the target up for a counter.
Jim the Gardener Sep 3, 2024 @ 7:38pm 
Originally posted by BEANBAG:
Your ability to parry has a lot to do with what size shield you are suing, the larger the shield the more difficult the timing. Get a smaller shield, The buckler is a decent parry shield and is easy to locate.

To parry, you want to wait until you see the hands of the enemy move towards you before hitting your special to parry the blow and set the target up for a counter.
I will see what I can do to find the buckler. I saw a few posts about that being a good starter shield. I am still using the Blue Heater +2. It works for now but I can only assume its bottom of the barrel in regards to gear since its starting gear. Isn't this the vendor for the buckler located behind Margit or am I able to find the vendor along the back way? I found the path to the right and rode Torrent up there and got a site of grace.

Ty for the tip on parrying, I will give that a shot.

The parrying tip didnt help much. Not sure when to look for the hands because everything is different. I think its just luck at this point lol. I have been able to parry some attacks and then the same attacks again nothing. The timing must be frame perfect or something. My character feels so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slow to do anything and I have to press the parry button like seconds before. Just like...♥♥♥♥....whats the damn timing?

Also when can I stab them in the face after I parried? It never lets me do it all I do is just attack and then they get up and beat my ass.
Last edited by Jim the Gardener; Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:27pm
[BEANBAG] (Banned) Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:28pm 
Originally posted by Jim the Gardner:
Originally posted by BEANBAG:
Your ability to parry has a lot to do with what size shield you are suing, the larger the shield the more difficult the timing. Get a smaller shield, The buckler is a decent parry shield and is easy to locate.

To parry, you want to wait until you see the hands of the enemy move towards you before hitting your special to parry the blow and set the target up for a counter.
I will see what I can do to find the buckler. I saw a few posts about that being a good starter shield. I am still using the Blue Heater +2. It works for now but I can only assume its bottom of the barrel in regards to gear since its starting gear. Isn't this the vendor for the buckler located behind Margit or am I able to find the vendor along the back way? I found the path to the right and rode Torrent up there and got a site of grace.

Ty for the tip on parrying, I will give that a shot.

The parrying tip didnt help much. Not sure when to look for the hands because everything is different. I think its just luck at this point lol. I have been able to parry some attacks and then the same attacks again nothing. The timing must be frame perfect or something.

You can pick up the buckler from Gatekeeper Gostoc at Stormveil Castle. You don't have to enter the castle to purchase the shield, just go in the side entrance to the left of the gate to find him. I'm not sure if he sells it outright, or if you have to kill him to obtain his bell bearing to purchase it from the Twin Maiden Husks at Roundtable Hold. The samurai starting shield is a good option as well. The Red Thorn shield can be purchased at Nomadic Merchant in the eastern part of the Weeping Peninsula.
[BEANBAG] (Banned) Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:30pm 
Originally posted by Jim the Gardner:
Greetings, I recently picked up this game and have been getting the hang of combat (when the game isn't crashing). I am level 30 and have ground out the Gatefront Ruins for a few hours for some weapons and gear sets from the Godrick Soldiers and Kaiden Sellswords. This is my first FromSoft game so I have been taking it slow and getting my ♥♥♥♥ pushed in respectively. I was able to get Margit to 1/4 life after about 20 attempts so I am getting a little better.

My question is when it comes to blocking and parrying is this. When should I use my "Q" parry either the parry itself or the "Wind Wall" ability I put on the shield? I have tried to take on basic soldiers for awhile just to practice blocking hits or what not and cant seem to get the timing down of that one? I assume that it allows for a retaliation attack but the only time I have seen an enemy stagger was when I was able to regular block at just the right time. Also, when do I block at just the right time? There has to be something I am missing as all my parries have been absolute luck. Most of my playing has just been dodging attacks or holding block and soaking damage because if I try and parry I just take full damage because I guess I suck at the timing of it? Every enemy has different timing for their attacks respectively, but I guess I am looking for a guide as WHEN I should slam that block button. I watch movements and memorize move sets, but I just roll out of the way. I don't even really know how to do a visceral (Is that the right word? where you stab them in the face once they are staggered?) Haven't really been able to stagger anyone so I gotta be missing something. I don't mind straight tanking this ♥♥♥♥ with maxed strength and endurance, but that seems super damn boring compared to a ton of the builds I've seen. I just wanna have some fun with my builds instead of "tank" so I need to understand more to blocking.

Thank you and sorry for the long terrible beginner question. I will be back to grinding the Gates here shortly, still trying to figure out what I should do.

Here's a video to help you with parrying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxkSkMUVD8c
Humanoïde Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:32pm 
Parrying in ER is a very optional ability. It can be very fun and effective against some opponents, but some attacks simply cannot be parried, so it cannot be your only defensive tool.

If you are a new player, I would advise you to focus on learning how to dodge roll past ennemy attacks first (hint : try to roll through the attack toward the ennemy rather than away from him) and only when you are confident enough to avoid attacks this way should you attempt parrying if you want. In fact, I would advise dropping te shield entirely and try playing 2-handed for a while, it can help you get some good habits.

Also, while it is true that smaller shields have a larger parrying window, the largest window actually comes from ashes of war such as one called Carian retaliation which also allows you to parry spells.

Blocking at the right time does nothing (except with a certain item in the DLC) so you can keep blocking with no penaly except that you recover stamina much slower when you are blocking, so ideally, you should drop your guard between ennmy attacks to recover.
Jim the Gardener Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:42pm 
Originally posted by BEANBAG:
Originally posted by Jim the Gardner:
I will see what I can do to find the buckler. I saw a few posts about that being a good starter shield. I am still using the Blue Heater +2. It works for now but I can only assume its bottom of the barrel in regards to gear since its starting gear. Isn't this the vendor for the buckler located behind Margit or am I able to find the vendor along the back way? I found the path to the right and rode Torrent up there and got a site of grace.

Ty for the tip on parrying, I will give that a shot.

The parrying tip didnt help much. Not sure when to look for the hands because everything is different. I think its just luck at this point lol. I have been able to parry some attacks and then the same attacks again nothing. The timing must be frame perfect or something.

You can pick up the buckler from Gatekeeper Gostoc at Stormveil Castle. You don't have to enter the castle to purchase the shield, just go in the side entrance to the left of the gate to find him. I'm not sure if he sells it outright, or if you have to kill him to obtain his bell bearing to purchase it from the Twin Maiden Husks at Roundtable Hold. The samurai starting shield is a good option as well. The Red Thorn shield can be purchased at Nomadic Merchant in the eastern part of the Weeping Peninsula.

Thank you, this is helpful. When I check the eldenwiki map, it gives a rough idea of where he is, I just didnt know of the left side entrance.
Jim the Gardener Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:43pm 
Originally posted by Humanoïde:
Parrying in ER is a very optional ability. It can be very fun and effective against some opponents, but some attacks simply cannot be parried, so it cannot be your only defensive tool.

If you are a new player, I would advise you to focus on learning how to dodge roll past ennemy attacks first (hint : try to roll through the attack toward the ennemy rather than away from him) and only when you are confident enough to avoid attacks this way should you attempt parrying if you want. In fact, I would advise dropping te shield entirely and try playing 2-handed for a while, it can help you get some good habits.

Also, while it is true that smaller shields have a larger parrying window, the largest window actually comes from ashes of war such as one called Carian retaliation which also allows you to parry spells.

Blocking at the right time does nothing (except with a certain item in the DLC) so you can keep blocking with no penaly except that you recover stamina much slower when you are blocking, so ideally, you should drop your guard between ennmy attacks to recover.

I just got done bodyrushing Darriwil so I obtained his sword just now. I will give this some practice as you said for 2 Handers. They seem to be great, but slow. I will have to get used to this style.
Humanoïde Sep 3, 2024 @ 8:45pm 
Originally posted by Jim the Gardner:
Thank you and sorry for the long terrible beginner question. I will be back to grinding the Gates here shortly, still trying to figure out what I should do.

Also, you shouldn't have to grind the same place at any point in the game. Limgrave is filled with side dungeons and optional bosses, go explore a bit and kill a few. Not only could you get some neat items, you will get many more runes this way and it is more fun.

I also highly advise you to go explore the zone south of Limgrave. There is some good stuff to be found there and the difficuly isn't higher than what you have already been facing.
Jim the Gardener Sep 3, 2024 @ 9:24pm 
Originally posted by Humanoïde:
Originally posted by Jim the Gardner:
Thank you and sorry for the long terrible beginner question. I will be back to grinding the Gates here shortly, still trying to figure out what I should do.

Also, you shouldn't have to grind the same place at any point in the game. Limgrave is filled with side dungeons and optional bosses, go explore a bit and kill a few. Not only could you get some neat items, you will get many more runes this way and it is more fun.

I also highly advise you to go explore the zone south of Limgrave. There is some good stuff to be found there and the difficuly isn't higher than what you have already been facing.
First souls game so I am not really sure where to go or what to do. Grinding has been fine as I am not strong, so I not really know how to play and I feel safer having more levels. I am 200% failing forward and honest to god surprised I have killed 2 mini bosses. I may explore once I have ground out some more levels. Been running around for an hour and a half trying to find the side entrance or whatever to Gostoc the other comentor said. Google also hasnt showed me anything regarding that guy either outside of I guess kill him on sight because he sucks?
Last edited by Jim the Gardener; Sep 3, 2024 @ 10:00pm
Humpenstilzchen Sep 3, 2024 @ 9:38pm 
Don´t bother with parrying. It´s way too hard and unreliable.

Use a greatshield with the highest possible guard boost to reduce the stamina damage taken from blocking and use it to deflect attacks with your regular block since the main advantage of great shields is that most attacks simply bounce off and thus give you windows of opportunity for retaliation and then just use guard counters which hit hard and break stances easily.

It will make for a much more enjoyable experience and you don´t run into the issue of taking damage because of missed parryframes or damage because certain attacks are not parryable which you can´t know.
Last edited by Humpenstilzchen; Sep 3, 2024 @ 9:41pm
Humanoïde Sep 3, 2024 @ 9:45pm 
Don't worry, getting lost and "failing forward" is part of the fun. As long as you stay in Limgrave or the Weeping Peninsula, you shouldn't face anything that's impossible for your level, so feel free to explore.

That being said, if you want to level up, my main tip is to put all your points into vigor. It will help you survive longer and learn the fights. At this point in the game, your damage is much more influenced by reinforcing your weapon with smithing stones than by putting points in strength or dexterity anyway.

Speaking of smithing stones, you should try to grab some to upgrade you weapon to +3 or even +4 if it's not already there (or +1/+2 if it's a weapon that requires somber stones). To do that, try to explore caves marked by a small reddish circle on your map, there is one just north of the lake. These are full of stones sticking on the walls. You should also try to grab golden seeds and sacred tears to improve your flask, it helps a ton. Only after having upgraded you flask and weapon should you try to tackle Stormveil castle, it is a harder area.

Regarding what the other commenter said, Gostoc is an NPC that's located right after Margitt, so you need to beat him first. He is a merchant but also kind of an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and steals some of your runes if you die inside the castle so people often kill him on sight. On you first playthrogh, I advise leaving him alive so that you can see his dialogues. Anyway, you shouldn't focus on him or on Stormveil for now.
1100011 Sep 3, 2024 @ 10:35pm 
In the next area after Limgrave, after beating a boss there, you get access to a parrying ash of war that's even better than the Buckler, (Carian Retalliation). Put it on a rickety wooden shield and you'll have all the parry and none of the weight.

As for figuring out the timing: look at your enemies' attack animation. Then, beginning at the animation's starting point, slowly move your attack timing forward after each try until the parry is successful. Not all attacks can be parried! Try the slowest ones from the weakest enemies first wearing your heaviest armor.
Amins Sep 3, 2024 @ 10:59pm 
Yeah, don't even bother trying to mess with parrying until you're more comfortable with the game. Guard counters (blocking an attack and returning your own attack immediately afterwards) are more reliable. But you do need to look at the physical defense stat on your shield. Anything less than 100 will damage you through the shield and isn't worth using for defense. You say you were using Blue Crest Heater? Must have started as a Confessor. It will give you the 100 physical defense you need. And you really aren't going to find a much better medium shield unless you're just looking for something better looking. Guard Boost will reduce the stamina cost of blocking with higher values, though. And upgrading shields increases this amount.
Lu2 Sep 4, 2024 @ 1:35am 
parry is shield skill that can be binded to small and medium shields , small shield
small parry window is instant, with medium shield its not instant you should grind south penisula before margit and stormcastle

parry is just stylish utility move to make special atack , if you use daggers its no brainer , not nesseary to breeze trough game
opus132 Sep 4, 2024 @ 4:51am 
First off, trying to get your hands on either Golden Parry or Carian Retaliation.

Those ashes of war have the best parry frames and can be used on all medium shields, so it's a bit safer to use parry since you can still block with your shield if hesitation gets the better of you.

The timing for parry is basically not too early, not too late. It's very rare you'll encounter an attack so fast you basically have to react instantly to parry it (Rellana and Malenia have an atack like that. Can't remember what else it's not very common though). Most of the times there's always going to be a slight delay, but you cannot delay too long or you'll miss the parry window and the only way to get a feel for it is practice.

On the plus side, for the MOST part, the parry delay is often always the same so eventually your brain will memorize it.

The other aspect is the hitbox. Usually the best way to find that is to imagine you are parrying the "hand" and not the weapon. You can parry the weapon sure but it's easier if you are a little bit "inside" the attack, so to speak, though sometimes if you stand too close you can't parry the attack.

Lastly, there are some enemies in this game that are designed around parry as a counter to them. Those enemies will often have attacks with long wind ups that allow you to see them coming and thus "get ready" to nail the parry timing. Crucible Knights are like that, but there's many others (Commander Nial, Bellbearing Hunter, and in the DLC Midra). Generally when an enemy is making you roll for half a minute before you get a chance to hurt them that's often a sign you are meant to parry them instead.

Crucible Knights make for some good training dummines. There are many that respawn close to various sites of grace, so what i recommend is stack up on defences, pick one of those guys, and practice parry until it starts becoming second nature. Usually, once you get good at parrying one enemy it gets easier for all the others as well.
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