Solo player invasions: we will only have the "dried fingers"

[cridus]

I'm opening this thread to discuss the fact that in Elden Ring, if we want to be invaded while playing solo, it seems we will only have an item that works exactly like the dried fingers (the "taunter's tongue").

this is a problem, for some, because with the taunter's tongue we'll have no invasion cooldown, we will be given top priority to be invaded and we will be eligible to be invaded by 2 people at once.

so, it won't be possible to go through the game solo hoping to get invaded randomly by 1 person to spice things up. having 2 people going after you pretty much immediately after using the item isn't the same thing at all. especially since you get "kicked off" the mount when you get invaded. I imagine that with the taunter's tongue we won't be able to use Torrent even for 30 seconds.

if you also liked that kind of experience and don't want it to be missing in Elden Ring, make your voice be heard and ask fromsoft to give us the possibility to choose how we want to be invaded: in the classic way or as if we used the dried fingers.
you can tell them about it in this survey:

https://www2.fromsoftware.jp/p/main/questionnaire/eldenringnetworktestver_en

also while you're at it, please urge them to fix the glitches that have been found in the game, listed in this thread (give them the link):
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1245620/discussions/0/4577340984555018418

thank you.




P.S. for people who might misread the thread's title or just not bother reading it properly: this thread is NOT for asking to make solo invasions active by default. it's a different thing that doesn't affect in any way people who don't want to opt-in in solo-player invasions.

[Whitecrow]

rusty_dragon の投稿を引用：

No. It won't work. You already has such mode - it's called solo.
You see: you meet invaders in the beginning of the game, you loose. Then when you're getting better while progressing through the game you meet invaders on more equal ground. And there are already NPC invaders in offline mode. It's been a thing at last since DkS1, maybe early. I haven't played Demon Souls yet.

How do you know it won't work? Such a change will not affect you in any way and it willl help people who are scared of pvp to become more familiar with game mechanics without unnecessary frustration of pvp with people who have been min maxing since demon's souls. Also i'm pretty sure that Miyazaki did not intend invaders to be unwinnable obstacle at start of the game, as evident from interviews

[M͂͒̀λgi͡caℓ Ήo͓̽ﻇo̴]

this doesn't prevent twink builds.
which is why they implemented this. it only motivates me more 😈
and can't wait to Glitch and use exploits and troll. makes these games so much funner.

[rusty_dragon]

Reaper の投稿を引用：

How do you know it won't work? Such a change will not affect you in any way and it willl help people who are scared of pvp to become more familiar with game mechanics without unnecessary frustration of pvp with people who have been min maxing since demon's souls. Also i'm pretty sure that Miyazaki did not intend invaders to be unwinnable obstacle at start of the game, as evident from interviews

Reaper の投稿を引用：

Personally I think a better solution would be to have an option or covenant to completely avoid invasions to a certain point in the game, for example until you ring the first bell in ds1 or kill godrick in ER (basically not at the very beginning, but not too far into the game). However there will be npc invaders present in inmissable areas that will introduce players to the concept and there should be some sort of message that lets players know that invasions by players are on from now on.
At the same time people who want regular souls experience will be able to play it good old way. That way newbies who are afraid of pvp will be able to enjoy and learn the game with friends and they will feel more prepared when invasions do open up compared to the current newbies. Alternatively sentinels/blades/hunters system should be improved. More activity for blues perhaps? Return of vengeful spirits might help but i have no idea what could be done to improve blue experience.

This one? Sorry, I've got tired so I miss stuff.
Well, you already have AI invaders in offline mode. And if you cut invaders in the early part of the game - you will lock out of multiplayer people who try inviding and playing as blue sentinels.

Since your solution is optional, requires applying to the covenant - it might work as a band aid for those who are only starting. But I'm not sure if it will do much of a change. Because you already have both sunbros and invaders as AI in offline mode.

[rusty_dragon]

🎃MaximusBlastalot🎃 の投稿を引用：

rusty_dragon の投稿を引用：

Dark Souls is not the only game where devs and community being pestered by casuals for being difficult. You can see exact situation with Cuphead.

When you have a deadline to write an 800 word article about how this game is the dark souls of blank, an easy mode helps you get get rent faster.

Yes. But I'm talking about Cuphead not having easy mode while being very attractive and unique game. If you go on Cuphead forums you'll see exact same situation as with Dark Souls. Btw, for those interested, Cuphead has coop without invasions.

[RyuKazé]

Mλgíċaℓ ૐ Ήøﻇσ の投稿を引用：

this doesn't prevent twink builds.
which is why they implemented this. it only motivates me more 😈
and can't wait to Glitch and use exploits and troll. makes these games so much funner.

Does it really?

[M͂͒̀λgi͡caℓ Ήo͓̽ﻇo̴]

𝓡𝔂𝓾𝓚𝓪𝔃𝓮 の投稿を引用：

Mλgíċaℓ ૐ Ήøﻇσ の投稿を引用：

this doesn't prevent twink builds.
which is why they implemented this. it only motivates me more 😈
and can't wait to Glitch and use exploits and troll. makes these games so much funner.

Does it really?

yah man. it's hilarious. 1vs2 will be so much funner and the vast open area for sneaky builds.

[cridus]

I stood away 1 day and you guys started discussing the usual "easy mode yes or no" and "opt out from co-op invasions yes or no" topics XD
this thread isn't about any of that :V
it's about raising awareness of the lack of proper opt-in invasions while solo, since there's basically only the dried fingers.
btw I really hope the devs knew and made a covenant or something to activate normal invasions while playing solo.

[psheue]

cridus の投稿を引用：

I stood away 1 day and you guys started discussing the usual "easy mode yes or no" and "opt out from co-op invasions yes or no" topics XD
this thread isn't about any of that :V
it's about raising awareness of the lack of proper opt-in invasions while solo, since there's basically only the dried fingers.
btw I really hope the devs knew and made a covenant or something to activate normal invasions while playing solo.

We need the Company of Champions.

D:

[cridus]

yeah that would be cool. although I admit I've never tried it in DS2, I'm not a great fan of that game. I also started it late and pvp was already stale when I finished the pve.

[Dracoco OwO]

I mean seeing the dried finger returning would be nice especially considering we have to use a plethora of fingers items for summoning or dismissing summons.

[cridus]

Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

I mean seeing the dried finger returning would be nice especially considering we have to use a plethora of fingers items for summoning or dismissing summons.

they already exist, they're called "taunter's tongue", although it seems it will be a consumable.
problem is: it's the only way to get invasions while solo, and 2 instantaneous, quickly-replaced invaders all the time isn't at all the same thing as normal classic invasions of the previous games.

[Dracoco OwO]

cridus の投稿を引用：

Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

I mean seeing the dried finger returning would be nice especially considering we have to use a plethora of fingers items for summoning or dismissing summons.

they already exist, they're called "taunter's tongue", although it seems it will be a consumable.

Yeah that's the thing that bother some peoples, it's not unlimited use. This kind of remind me the cracked red eye orbs but it's to get invaded solo this time.

[Wyrlish]

Nah I'm ok, being invaded by sweats while I'm trying to enjoy myself isn't my idea of fun.

If I want pvp (and I do seek it out sometimes with big invasion and dried finger binges) I want to do it voluntarily, not be invaded by some havel monster or twinked out sweat that I have no chance of beating with my progression armor.

Leave it as is. Those who want pvp, will still pvp, those who don't won't have to. It's a win-win.

[🎃MaximusBlastalot🎃]

Wyrlish の投稿を引用：

Nah I'm ok, being invaded by sweats while I'm trying to enjoy myself isn't my idea of fun.

If I want pvp (and I do seek it out sometimes with big invasion and dried finger binges) I want to do it voluntarily, not be invaded by some havel monster or twinked out sweat that I have no chance of beating with my progression armor.

Leave it as is. Those who want pvp, will still pvp, those who don't won't have to. It's a win-win.

You didnt even read the op.

[Wyrlish]

🎃MaximusBlastalot🎃 の投稿を引用：

Wyrlish の投稿を引用：

Nah I'm ok, being invaded by sweats while I'm trying to enjoy myself isn't my idea of fun.

If I want pvp (and I do seek it out sometimes with big invasion and dried finger binges) I want to do it voluntarily, not be invaded by some havel monster or twinked out sweat that I have no chance of beating with my progression armor.

Leave it as is. Those who want pvp, will still pvp, those who don't won't have to. It's a win-win.

You didnt even read the op.

No, I read it. You just lack the comprehension to be able to understand the reply. Thanks for playing.