Why is EAC disliked in this game?

[Little Songbird]

There's rumor that ER will have EAC, but why do people dislike it?

Doesn't that kinda improve security and lessen hacker appearance at the cost of modding?

[js51472]

Not everyone cares about online, and we don't want a stupid extra monitoring program running all the time, especially an epic one.

Many people like mods, and eac is supposedly notorious for banning people for using even ultrawide/uncapped fps mods.

Not many people seem to think eac will even succeed in stopping hackers.

The wording in the eula makes it sound like Bandai will not less us play at all if we block/uninstall eac, and they haven't given any official information to ease our concerns.

It would be best if they gave two options, one for people that want eac running, and one for people that don't, like Halo does, but it seems like most people don't think that is likely to happen in this case.

Also linux users want to be able to play the game, and eac might block them, unless the devs implement it in some specific way.

[Darhaksterion]

Many people want to be able to mod their game without getting autobanned just for booting the game online. Others might be unable to run the game altogether because EAC prevents you from using sandboxes or virtual machines to play.

[Quadsword]

EAC does very little to stop cheaters and is notorious for false positives. It also doesn't support Linux so Proton users can't play any games that use EAC. This means anybody who has a Steam Deck can't use it to play Elden Ring even though all the other Souls games work fine on Proton.

[Freak4Leeks]

i just don't like Ring0 anti-cheats hell i don't even like anti-viruses because of it, ill just stick with windows defender.

[Toxsicity]

Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:

i just don't like Ring0 anti-cheats hell i don't even like anti-viruses because of it, ill just stick with windows defender.

Windows defender gives off false-positives too though. Most anti virus programs give false positives you just have to know if its a real virus or not.

[Quadsword]

Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:

i just don't like Ring0 anti-cheats hell i don't even like anti-viruses because of it, ill just stick with windows defender.

You must not play many online games because almost all of them use ring-0 anti-cheat software now.

[Freak4Leeks]

Originally posted by Toxsicity:

Windows defender gives off false-positives too though. Most anti virus programs give false positives you just have to know if its a real virus or not.

that wasn't the point of the comment, the point of the comment is to say i don't like installing 3rd party ring0 programs, not how reliable the program is, hell you don't need really need a anti virus just don't be a dumbass and use common sense

Originally posted by Quadsword:

You must not play many online games because almost all of them use ring-0 anti-cheat software now.

and you would be correct.

[Krakers]

Originally posted by Quadsword:

EAC does very little to stop cheaters and is notorious for false positives. It also doesn't support Linux so Proton users can't play any games that use EAC. This means anybody who has a Steam Deck can't use it to play Elden Ring even though all the other Souls games work fine on Proton.

But EAC is supporting Linux /proton. Just such a support have to be implemented by devs. And apparently it was made significantly easier by both epic and valve efforts. If it won't be supported you can only blame devs for not putting extra effort.

To op. I think it is due to potential compability issues and mods and having to install yet another 3rd party software. But there are also a lot of misinformation about it or straight up lies about it, like it being "spyware" or vulnerability to your system.

For mods, i don't think there is need for them online and most likely there will be option to play nodded version offline and without EAC, but I wouldn't hope for online non EAC variant. For compability it is up to devs.

As for me, I think it is good that devs are finally doing something about cheaters /hackers in their games and EAC will reduce such a problem significantly. As I doubt that ER is a big enough market to justify development of paid cheats. If true of course as devs still didn't confirm it. And truth is that most people do not mind EAC, just look at modern games, as plenty of them have EAC or other "intrusive" anti cheat implemented like battle eye or vac. Fresh example is Lost ark, just look at its popularity despite EAC.

[Cheesehead]

Maybe someday we will have anti-cheat software that actually works as intended. Until then, we are stuck with this stuff. Sure, there will be false positives, but at the same time, you can't trust quite a few people that claim as such, because a lot of those people can't be trusted to tell the truth, either.

These companies have meetings, and decide which protection software to use. It may not feel fair at all, but the idea is to protect their games. If you were in such a company, and did nothing to protect the software, you would probably be out of a job.

If people wouldn't cheat and hack, this wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately the world is full of jerks that think it's funny and entertaining to ruin your experience. I don't play a lot of games because I am sick of cheaters, especially those that use aimbots and similar hacks. There's lots of footage on youtube that catch streamers cheating. It's sickening.

If you want to be upset, be upset at the right people. Sure, I don't like certain corporations and practices as much as the next person, but there are plenty of other jerks out there making it worse everyone that simply want to play our games.

[randir14]

It won't stop dedicated hackers. You can find plenty of Youtube videos where people are hacking in EAC games.

[Paradox]

Originally posted by Little Songbird:

There's rumor that ER will have EAC, but why do people dislike it?

Doesn't that kinda improve security and lessen hacker appearance at the cause of modding?

1. it doesn't increase security, it actually makes it weaker, because EAC hates (won't allow or doesn't work with) a lot of security measures, especially things like virtualization. It is also a point of vulnerability, because of its access level.

2. Sure, it might mean a few less cheaters running around, but that's never been a big deal for me (I know a lot of people are super sweaty and rage and don't want to make save backups), especially in this game - it's not a competitive game. There's still going to be a ton of cheaters, just because of the nature of the game, it being p2p and with files locally stored... And there's a market for bypassing EAC. It's effectively like gun control, in that all the cheaters will still be able to cheat, but anyone who doesn't want to play with cheaters is ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

3. It (EAC) also doesn't get along with a lot of other software or even certain hardware.
That would include basically all mods.

4. It's incredibly invasive, scanning all of your memory, not just the game's. It also sends that information out along with a lot of other information. It would be considered spyware if you did not consent to using it.

5. There have been instances, with certain games, of performance issues with it.

Anyway. If I can turn it off and play I will. I hope there's a separate pool for those playing without it on. If it can't be turned off, well, I'll just wait for the version that has it turned off...

[Panda-Bishop]

End of the day, 3rd party anti-cheats don't stop cheaters. There's a rather healthy industry of groups cracking anti-cheats and selling them (yay capitalism), every update of the anti-cheat only buys you a few days (or a few weeks) of cheating/botting-free experience. There's three reasons why 3rd party anti-cheats are so ineffective:

1. They're off-the-shelf solutions. EAC (and its competitors) doesn't have multiple dev teams dedicated to crafting a unique anti-cheat for every game that uses it, it's a single product with some built-in options for varying levels of security; this means if someone cracks EAC for one game, they're figured out 99% of how to crack EAC for all other games running the same version of EAC.
   
2. It runs client-side. The simplest analogy here is like someone bragging they've built the most secure safe in the world, but installed it in a safecracker's house. With no supervision. 3rd party anti-cheat developers can't prevent dedicated cracking groups from installing their anti-cheat program and spending a weekend figuring out how to bypass it. The most they can do is to sue these groups into submission, like how Rockstar aggressively does for GTAV, but frankly speaking I have never heard of any of the 3rd party anti-cheat companies doing this.
   
3. It runs separately from the game. This is related to the first point, but 3rd party anti-cheats are only ever loosely embedded into the game's executable, there's nothing embedded into the engine itself that goes "oh, anti-cheat isn't working properly, I no worky too" due to their off-the-shelf nature.

I don't object to MMO/co-op/PVP games having anti-cheats, I hate running into cheaters as much as the next (decent) guy/gal, but I object to installing cheap, band-aid solutions that don't actually achieve anything in the long run just because the developer wants to save a (few hundred thousand) bucks.

I mean, I get it. Licensing a 3rd party anti-cheat is much cheaper than having an in-house team making their own anti-cheat, having it run client-side is much less of a performance hit than having the server do a sanity check on everything, and having it run separately means updates to the anti-cheat won't have to go through all the QA process as other game updates. It's a rational choice from a financial perspective.

Still doesn't make it a good choice from a gaming experience perspective.

[Quadsword]

Originally posted by Krakers:

Originally posted by Quadsword:

EAC does very little to stop cheaters and is notorious for false positives. It also doesn't support Linux so Proton users can't play any games that use EAC. This means anybody who has a Steam Deck can't use it to play Elden Ring even though all the other Souls games work fine on Proton.

But EAC is supporting Linux /proton. Just such a support have to be implemented by devs. And apparently it was made significantly easier by both epic and valve efforts. If it won't be supported you can only blame devs for not putting extra effort.

To op. I think it is due to potential compability issues and mods and having to install yet another 3rd party software. But there are also a lot of misinformation about it or straight up lies about it, like it being "spyware" or vulnerability to your system.

For mods, i don't think there is need for them online and most likely there will be option to play nodded version offline and without EAC, but I wouldn't hope for online non EAC variant. For compability it is up to devs.

As for me, I think it is good that devs are finally doing something about cheaters /hackers in their games and EAC will reduce such a problem significantly. As I doubt that ER is a big enough market to justify development of paid cheats. If true of course as devs still didn't confirm it. And truth is that most people do not mind EAC, just look at modern games, as plenty of them have EAC or other "intrusive" anti cheat implemented like battle eye or vac. Fresh example is Lost ark, just look at its popularity despite EAC.

Hate to burst your bubble, but EAC is a laughably ineffective anti-cheat system. There are videos all over the place of people cheating in EAC protected games. That's not getting into how it loves to flag harmless software as cheats and bans people for things as simple as removing frame rate caps or enabling ultra-wide resolution, or the fact that it's a security vulnerability because of the access level it runs on.

Sadly we aren't likely to ever see game developers build their own in-house anti-cheat solutions that would actually be effective because cheaters don't cost the company enough money for shareholders or executives to care. So we get stuck with these crummy 3rd party programs that do more harm than good.

[GroovyHobo]

Mainly because we probably can't mod in ultrawidesceen or uncap fps without being banned. If this game at least supported these features, I think less people would be upset.

[nobleberry]

Originally posted by Little Songbird:

There's rumor that ER will have EAC, but why do people dislike it?

Doesn't that kinda improve security and lessen hacker appearance at the cost of modding?

1. It is not rumor, it is already in elden ring eula
2. I like actual anticheat, I am afraid it will not have linux support enabled, I don't want to boot into windows
3. It may hurt modding, dark souls 3 had some great mods, like cinders and convergence. Of course if you will be able to play mods offline, it will be okay.