Optimal level 150 bleed build

[SKIB]

So starting class either samurai or vagabond.
My stat spread for the sake of most utility and weapon versatility is as follows.

Vig/Mind/End/Str/Dex/Int/Fth/Arc

60/16/25/18/45/10/10/45

or

60/16/25/18/30/10/10/60

The bottom spread lacks the more complete weapon versatility compared to 45 dex 45 arcane. But 30 dex 60 arcane allows higher dps when you infuse occult. My question is what spread do you all think is better? Also would you all say sacrificing utility and versatility for a 80 arcane spread be better?

example

60/16/25/18/18/9/8/80

Trying to reach a general consensus on which spread is the best if all 3 were ranked together. My vote is for the 45/45 but it’s a tough call…

EDIT: I chose an answer to this topic to close the discussion but for final say read my last post on the thread. hope it helps!

[ESOS]

Originally posted by Pooksters:

So starting class either samurai or vagabond.
My stat spread for the sake of most utility and weapon versatility is as follows.

Vig/Mind/End/Str/Dex/Int/Fth/Arc

60/16/25/18/45/10/10/45

or

60/16/25/18/30/10/10/60

The bottom spread lacks the more complete weapon versatility compared to 45 dex 45 arcane. But 30 dex 60 arcane allows higher dps when you infuse occult. My question is what spread do you all think is better? Also would you all say sacrificing utility and versatility for a 80 arcane spread be better?

example

60/16/25/18/18/9/8/80

Trying to reach a general consensus on which spread is the best if all 3 were ranked together. My vote is for the 45/55 but it’s a tough call…

https://www.imghippo.com/i/8Durl1721753088.jpg
here's my 150 Rivers of Blood build

[StarlightAsh♡]

arcane has a cap on 45, up until then it has the best scaling so going above that is less value, you can place those points in a different position to get move value out of them

[Deck]

Why would you ignore str and most of dex to go arcane?
What changes? My bleed build has 80 dex 70 str, i check r armanent attack up for my damage. (use bloodhound's fang)

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Deck:

Why would you ignore str and most of dex to go arcane?
What changes? My bleed build has 80 dex 70 str, i check r armanent attack up for my damage. (use bloodhound's fang)

Bleed builds up a lot faster based on your Arcane stat, same as most status effects. So with higher Arcane, you'll trigger Exsanguination much faster and more often.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Deck:

Why would you ignore str and most of dex to go arcane?
What changes? My bleed build has 80 dex 70 str, i check r armanent attack up for my damage. (use bloodhound's fang)

arcane makes statuses better

[Pnutimus]

im 60/16/25/28/21/10/10/59 good for me could take arcane down to 50 and have 9 points to put somewhere my suggestion would be go to 30 endurance and then 30/23 str/dex but i like str more than dex if you like dex more just swap them around i use a flamberge occult with seppuku white mask and then rakshasa chest hands legs gets me 908 ar on my flamberge
edit: but the 28/21 str/dex lets you use most weapons i choose str becasue i like it more and the bloodfiend arm weapon needs 28 str
edit2: just had to have another look because i forgot but if you do pull the 9 points out of arcane and reallocate them you will lose ar
Edit3: wanan be real nasty get the new great katana put poison on it and wear the mushroom hat and posion fist weapon in offhand along with the boost atk with poison proc and boost atk with bleed proc talismans.

[SKIB]

Originally posted by Deck:

Why would you ignore str and most of dex to go arcane?
What changes? My bleed build has 80 dex 70 str, i check r armanent attack up for my damage. (use bloodhound's fang)

Optimal 150 build my friend. If you’re 150 I want to see your spread xD

[SKIB]

Originally posted by ESOS:

Originally posted by Pooksters:

So starting class either samurai or vagabond.
My stat spread for the sake of most utility and weapon versatility is as follows.

Vig/Mind/End/Str/Dex/Int/Fth/Arc

60/16/25/18/45/10/10/45

or

60/16/25/18/30/10/10/60

The bottom spread lacks the more complete weapon versatility compared to 45 dex 45 arcane. But 30 dex 60 arcane allows higher dps when you infuse occult. My question is what spread do you all think is better? Also would you all say sacrificing utility and versatility for a 80 arcane spread be better?

example

60/16/25/18/18/9/8/80

Trying to reach a general consensus on which spread is the best if all 3 were ranked together. My vote is for the 45/55 but it’s a tough call…

https://www.imghippo.com/i/8Durl1721753088.jpg
here's my 150 Rivers of Blood build

You need to pump that vig brother

[Silyon]

I think the main question is the weapon you're planning on packing, since the DLC added a lot of very good bleed weapons and several weapons with strong Arcane scaling to take advantage of. Assuming you wanna stick with Katana though, I'd favor the 30/60 split for Dex/Arc.

Naturally higher Arcane is better for status buildup, but from a PvE standpoint it's a bad idea to lean all-in on Bleed procs when there are enemies out there with high bleed resistance or that straight up don't bleed. Keeping a bit of weapon damage going helps deal with such problems, though you could also just swap to a poison or rot sword as a backup in those cases as well.

[SKIB]

Originally posted by Silyon:

I think the main question is the weapon you're planning on packing, since the DLC added a lot of very good bleed weapons and several weapons with strong Arcane scaling to take advantage of. Assuming you wanna stick with Katana though, I'd favor the 30/60 split for Dex/Arc.

Naturally higher Arcane is better for status buildup, but from a PvE standpoint it's a bad idea to lean all-in on Bleed procs when there are enemies out there with high bleed resistance or that straight up don't bleed. Keeping a bit of weapon damage going helps deal with such problems, though you could also just swap to a poison or rot sword as a backup in those cases as well.

Or a somber weapon with natural arcane scaling could make up for lack of raw DPS when going against those immune to statuses? Idk how significant the 15 dex points between 30 and 45 are but I know status speed caps at 45 arc and anything past that is where occult infusions come in. I guess I’d like to ask in your experience does 30/60 occult infusion give more steady DPS than 45/45 blood infusion or keen infusion with blood flame blade buff? Also would putting occult infusion on certain weapons with natural arcane scaling still be good with the 45/45 spread? I’m still leaning towards 45/45 for fear of losing versatility but I don’t want to pigeon hold myself on optimal DPS.

[twiggy]

it depends on how much your weapon stats scale with each stat and the letter values arent good enough because each letter value between each weapon and depending on the infusion will change a hidden numerical value which is the true stat scaling and not the letter value. you need to use a weapon ar calculator to find out for yourself
https://www.tarnished.dev/weapon-calculator

[Deck]

Originally posted by Pooksters:

Originally posted by Deck:

Why would you ignore str and most of dex to go arcane?
What changes? My bleed build has 80 dex 70 str, i check r armanent attack up for my damage. (use bloodhound's fang)

Optimal 150 build my friend. If you’re 150 I want to see your spread xD

I'm kind of lv 201 XD;;
My Stats are something like;

50 vigor
40 endurance
80 dex
70 str

Or something really close to this, reborn for different builds but i suck with all of them so went back to something like that

[StarlightAsh♡]

alright so your bleed build guarentees should be the following:
Vigor 60.
that's it, the rest is up for variation, if you are using a dex weapon for the bleed then you will not need as much endurance to have decent armor and still midroll.
so with dex roughly 40 dex, 30 arcane, 60 vig, 20 endurance, maybe some mind if you like ashes of war, rest leftover into dex or arcane.
if you are doing a strength variant I would suggest going for a greatsword or collosal with bleed infusion, these weapons get an absurd amount of bleed build base so you don't have to scale as much into arcane and will still proc them a lot, then your primary focus will be 45str minimum, 30~35 endurance, after that you can scale some dex up to roughly 20 depending on the weapon you use, and the rest you can push to arcane and mind.

[samplexample]

physical softcaps remain, but infusions cap at 50 for int/faith and 42 for Arcane

[palacentes]

60 arcane is better for bleed. Weapon should be occult so high arcane scaling and raw dmg from arcane stat. Also good if it naturally has bleed, so high dmg + bleed. Its maybe 12% less bleed than the blood version? It will be close, and the base dmg will be very high. Occult will reduce innate dex and str stuff, bare min stats for the weapon and arcane approaching 80 might yield even better dmg.

Unless the weapon is a somber one, and you cant give it occult infusion. I bet the arcane would be like C or so, usually, and it needs str/ dex to help it.