Seamless co-op is pretty popular to the point where it should exist on Steam as a separate mod software?

[Kai]

There are a bunch of games where modding support doesn't 'exist' for the game persay, but the software is put on Steam to make it more easily accessible to run it as a separate launcher.

[Darth Invader]

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The seamless mod.

nah that affects everyone who uses it the same way, not sure how it'd be different.

though i admit i did rethink what i said and want to change my answer to the randomizer mod, in that case it would affect them differently if they used different seeds, which is a very interesting, if also a bit unstable to do.

thats the only time ive actually seen a mod that affects host and summon differently.

It doesn't allow invaders.

Like, normally, when you co-op in the game, it allows invaders.

When you don't allow that, it's cheating.

It's not modding.

Modding is making yourself look like Shrek, but not altering any attributes.

Cheating is removing parts of the game you don't like.

[Darth Invader]

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The seamless mod.

With the seamless mod, you only interact with other seamless users... so other "cheaters" as you like to say, and they are opting into the modified parameters. None of this takes place over Bamco connections or "online" on Bamco's infrastructure, so there is no mis-match.

You're comparing apples to anvils.

You can't "mod" out invaders.

Sorry, but you are cheating if you are using a mod to get rid of something you don't like.

[Florian Geier]

I hope fromsoft will start banning for this. From the game entirely.

[chriszewski]

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With the seamless mod, you only interact with other seamless users... so other "cheaters" as you like to say, and they are opting into the modified parameters. None of this takes place over Bamco connections or "online" on Bamco's infrastructure, so there is no mis-match.

You're comparing apples to anvils.

You can't "mod" out invaders.

Sorry, but you are cheating if you are using a mod to get rid of something you don't like.

I'm not disputing it could be considered "cheating." I'm disputing that it is a form a "cheating" that steam will enforce or punish. Seamless isn't within the scope of TOS for either firm.

[zero]

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The seamless mod.

With the seamless mod, you only interact with other seamless users... so other "cheaters" as you like to say, and they are opting into the modified parameters. None of this takes place over Bamco connections or "online" on Bamco's infrastructure, so there is no mis-match.

You're comparing apples to anvils.

oh so your calling people playing differently then you cheaters, rather then its actual meaning, gotcha, i can understand why you gave a false equivalent example earlier, glad we cleared up that confusing.

your last line about apples is very funny to try to call a change in gameplay style (removal of fogwalls for a seamless experience) equal to cheating (something done to acquire an advantage)

[Autoro]

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It doesn't allow invaders.

I mean... Wrong right out the gate, now. There's a toggle for invading in the mod, surprisingly enough. I wouldn't recommend it, as with no Easy Anti-Cheat, there's even less barrier to booting up Cheat Engine, and skadooshing any invaders back to the shadowrealm they came from.

Maybe you should do the barest minimum research into the mod before throwing out flat incorrect statements.

[chriszewski]

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With the seamless mod, you only interact with other seamless users... so other "cheaters" as you like to say, and they are opting into the modified parameters. None of this takes place over Bamco connections or "online" on Bamco's infrastructure, so there is no mis-match.

You're comparing apples to anvils.

oh so your calling people playing differently then you cheaters, rather then its actual meaning, gotcha, i can understand why you gave a false equivalent example earlier, glad we cleared up that confusing.

your last line about apples is very funny to try to call a change in gameplay style (removal of fogwalls for a seamless experience) equal to cheating (something done to acquire an advantage)

Did you mean to quote me? I'm using the terminology of the person i quoted, and i quoted them in relation to the Steam TOS they posted, their interpretation of that, and discussion of the mod on Steam forums.

My point was that even if it is "cheating," steam and Bamco aren't going to enforce it based on either of their TOS as outlined. Bamco only will if you venture into their playground (i.e. "Online" from the in-game menu on their infrastructure). The "apples to anvils" is comparing the level of "cheat" Darth is alluding to in regard to what is outlined in TOS.

Anyway, i'm off to dive back into acclaimed "cheat" Elden Ring Reforged...

[kripcision]

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With the seamless mod, you only interact with other seamless users... so other "cheaters" as you like to say, and they are opting into the modified parameters. None of this takes place over Bamco connections or "online" on Bamco's infrastructure, so there is no mis-match.

You're comparing apples to anvils.

You can't "mod" out invaders.

Sorry, but you are cheating if you are using a mod to get rid of something you don't like.

bruh, Seamless HAS invaders.

if everyone connected is using the same mod, then its not cheating since its a level playing field.

[Darth Invader]

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It doesn't allow invaders.

I mean... Wrong right out the gate, now. There's a toggle for invading in the mod, surprisingly enough. I wouldn't recommend it, as with no Easy Anti-Cheat, there's even less barrier to booting up Cheat Engine, and skadooshing any invaders back to the shadowrealm they came from.

Maybe you should do the barest minimum research into the mod before throwing out flat incorrect statements.

I knew the mod has a toggle. I was just waiting for someone like you to show up to try and "1 up" me.

Like a moth to the flame.

You know why you use the mod, and it ain't for "no fog walls" lmao.

[Darth Invader]

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You can't "mod" out invaders.

Sorry, but you are cheating if you are using a mod to get rid of something you don't like.

bruh, Seamless HAS invaders.

if everyone connected is using the same mod, then its not cheating since its a level playing field.

Funny, 2 years ago I was mocked for saying this exact same thing.

[King Kush III™]

It should be a base feature of the game. All of it.

[King Kush III™]

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nah that affects everyone who uses it the same way, not sure how it'd be different.

though i admit i did rethink what i said and want to change my answer to the randomizer mod, in that case it would affect them differently if they used different seeds, which is a very interesting, if also a bit unstable to do.

thats the only time ive actually seen a mod that affects host and summon differently.

It doesn't allow invaders.

Like, normally, when you co-op in the game, it allows invaders.

When you don't allow that, it's cheating.

It's not modding.

Modding is making yourself look like Shrek, but not altering any attributes.

Cheating is removing parts of the game you don't like.

Cheating would surely mean providing an unfair advantage... In this case, you have a completely separate character to the main game. Use your head, you're so narrow minded.

[King Kush III™]

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I mean... Wrong right out the gate, now. There's a toggle for invading in the mod, surprisingly enough. I wouldn't recommend it, as with no Easy Anti-Cheat, there's even less barrier to booting up Cheat Engine, and skadooshing any invaders back to the shadowrealm they came from.

Maybe you should do the barest minimum research into the mod before throwing out flat incorrect statements.

I knew the mod has a toggle. I was just waiting for someone like you to show up to try and "1 up" me.

Like a moth to the flame.

You know why you use the mod, and it ain't for "no fog walls" lmao.

I use it to play SEAMLESSLY with my friends. Like almost all Seamless users. As I said previously, you're extremely narrow minded, just makes me think you are one of those guys sitting in Limgrave killing off newbies.

[Darth Invader]

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It doesn't allow invaders.

Like, normally, when you co-op in the game, it allows invaders.

When you don't allow that, it's cheating.

It's not modding.

Modding is making yourself look like Shrek, but not altering any attributes.

Cheating is removing parts of the game you don't like.

Cheating would surely mean providing an unfair advantage... In this case, you have a completely separate character to the main game. Use your head, you're so narrow minded.

Trust me, if you are avoiding me, you are giving yourself an unfair advantage.

[King Kush III™]

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Cheating would surely mean providing an unfair advantage... In this case, you have a completely separate character to the main game. Use your head, you're so narrow minded.

Trust me, if you are avoiding me, you are giving yourself an unfair advantage.

I'm not playing the same game as you, I will never face you, ergo. No Unfair advantage. I play with ZERO invaders, I play NO PVP. I have NO unfair advantage.

Do you have severe brain damage or something? How are you having such a hard time understanding what this mod actually is and how it functions.

If it were to give me the ability to farm (In the mod) and bring those items into multiplayer (Official) I'd understand your comments.. but that's not the case.