Why Godfrey can't kill a tarnished?

[ŠĶØŔPĮØ]

As we know, only a Tarnished can kill another Tarnished, and as we also know, Godfrey is a Tarnished like us. So why do we always come back, if logically we should stay dead? And this isn't just about Godfrey, but about all enemy Tarnished on our way. Why can't die from them?

[chrstnmonks]

same reason your soul is not destroyed when you die of destined death or frenzied flame/ blight or some boss hit that should cleave in two plot armour the best defense and shield in any game.

[Meewec]

as long as the erdtree and the golden order exist nothing can truly die. it eventually will come back

[vamirez]

One interesting point someone suggested a while back - we don't know how long it takes us to reappear at a grace. It could be years. The journey through the game could literally take centuries, just as when the game starts the events in the intro are already centuries or millenia in the past.

Elegantly, that could mean if we defeat Godfrey, he may come back at some point, but we just do not meet him again.

[nfinite.recursion]

Originally posted by vamirez:

One interesting point someone suggested a while back - we don't know how long it takes us to reappear at a grace. It could be years. The journey through the game could literally take centuries, just as when the game starts the events in the intro are already centuries or millenia in the past.

Elegantly, that could mean if we defeat Godfrey, he may come back at some point, but we just do not meet him again.

Considering that we get his Remembrance, no, he does not come back.

Grace is extended to all Tarnished and gives them eternal life. However, those that lose their motivation to complete their given task (become Elden Lord) lose their Grace and die forever.

When you defeat Godfrey, he congratulates you and acknowledges you as worthy. This alone is likely enough to strip him of Grace. Even if Grace was still extended to him, the Erdtree reforms him into a Remembrance instead of reforming him elsewhere.

[vamirez]

Originally posted by nfinite.recursion:

Originally posted by vamirez:

One interesting point someone suggested a while back - we don't know how long it takes us to reappear at a grace. It could be years. The journey through the game could literally take centuries, just as when the game starts the events in the intro are already centuries or millenia in the past.

Elegantly, that could mean if we defeat Godfrey, he may come back at some point, but we just do not meet him again.

Considering that we get his Remembrance, no, he does not come back.

Grace is extended to all Tarnished and gives them eternal life. However, those that lose their motivation to complete their given task (become Elden Lord) lose their Grace and die forever.

When you defeat Godfrey, he congratulates you and acknowledges you as worthy. This alone is likely enough to strip him of Grace. Even if Grace was still extended to him, the Erdtree reforms him into a Remembrance instead of reforming him elsewhere.

He is angry, uninstalls and makes a rant thread on the forums ;) So, in theory, when the player gives up permanently at the Godfrey fight, Godfrey gets their remembrance.

Marika giveth and taketh away the grace, tho, not the tree.

[dachte]

Originally posted by nfinite.recursion:

Originally posted by vamirez:

One interesting point someone suggested a while back - we don't know how long it takes us to reappear at a grace. It could be years. The journey through the game could literally take centuries, just as when the game starts the events in the intro are already centuries or millenia in the past.

Elegantly, that could mean if we defeat Godfrey, he may come back at some point, but we just do not meet him again.

Considering that we get his Remembrance, no, he does not come back.

Grace is extended to all Tarnished and gives them eternal life. However, those that lose their motivation to complete their given task (become Elden Lord) lose their Grace and die forever.

I read this a little differently. We know that Souls and ER both are worlds with multiple parallel realities; the games reference this kind of thing a lot.

I think what happens is that as we progress through the game world, every time we die, we shunt into another reality, one where the deaths of certain foes are anchored and become part of our filtering of realities, but most foes are not; resting at a bonfire/grace shifts us between realities too (which is why we see most foes - nonanchored ones - come back).

Other warriors (including the Know-It-All) face their own versions of the bosses and get their own victories and powerups. And in some realities - some of the ones we've filtered out - the bosses we've beaten are still around.

(Also, there's no reason to believe only a tarnished can kill another tarnished; this is actually pretty unlikely given that the player can be killed by all sorts of things, from wolves to Radagon - more likely that tarnished have a reputation for being dangerous)

[Virake]

Originally posted by ŠĶØŔPĮØ:

As we know, only a Tarnished can kill another Tarnished, and as we also know, Godfrey is a Tarnished like us. So why do we always come back, if logically we should stay dead? And this isn't just about Godfrey, but about all enemy Tarnished on our way. Why can't die from them?

same reason the player is the only non-hollow undead that respawns in Dark Souls: it's a gameplay contrivance. don't take it too literally.

I find lore explanations to be a bit far-fetched. if something this important was part of the lore, it would've been mentioned in one way or another.