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"Radahn was chilling when Malenia fixed her arms, he could have killed her there, but no, he chilling"
Wrong, there is literally 0 proof you could provide that he had any chance to kill her.
She's down without her prosthetic because she removed it. The point is to express that she's in pain and exhausted from the ongoing war, yet when she sees Radahn, she pops the prosthetic back on and lunges when he is ready to go.
"why does Malenia need a break while Radahn doesn't?"
Where is it stated that Radahn was entirely ready to continue fighting post bloom? Where is the lore that explains how he remained entirely unfazed and ready to fight as his literal personality died?
You see Radahn ages down the line fighting and eating corpses. That in no way shape or form correlates to immediately after the bloom. Nothing in the game explains how they separated from each other, how long it took Malenia to pass out, what Radahn did as his brain rotted or how long it took Finlay to arrive at Malenia.
"Malenia able to manifest all of her power"
Blooming isn't a power...it's the advancement of her ascension to godhood. Something she's fought against all her life and clearly gains 0 control over until we kill her and she blooms again.
"Radahn didn't since he's holding a massive star"
Stars* for starters, and we didn't actually know what size most of them were. Based on the "star" that crashes above Nokron, they aren't the same as our sun "stars".
To boot, there is nothing in game that even hints at him being held back by the spell on the stars. The fact that he could go through the process of having his mind rot and his personality disappears without breaking the spell shows that concentration is not a requirement to hold it. The only thing we know for sure, is that the spell is tied directly to his life as his death was when the stars finally got to move again.
"Malenia passed out after using her ultimate move while Radahn didn't"
Again implying you know when she went down and whether or not he did at all. By all means, if you have secret lore the rest of us don't, share it..seeing him years down the line awake and able, doesn't in anyway shape or form prove that he was like that from the moment the bloom occurred.
"if there's no Finlay Malenia would already be dead"
According to what?
Finlay's greatest feat was protecting Malenia on the way to the Haligtree. Had she had to fight Radahn or swipe Malenia away before he could kill her, that would have been Finlay's greatest feat or at least more impressive than any random monsters encountered on the way to the Haligtree.
It isn't even implied that getting Malenias slumbering body was a problem. So I'm wondering how you are piecing together Finlay somehow saving Malenia from Radahn...Story doesn't even tell us where she found Malenia or if Radahn was in sight.
Did you bother to go fight Malenia? I want you to know that Finlay doesn't save her when the Tarnish kills her, problem is she doesn't stay dead...
Here watch this at 2:01
https://youtu.be/K_03kFqWfqs
While Malenia is fixing her arm, Radahn patiently waits for her, only picking up his swords after she is done. He could have cleaved her before she's finished, yet Radhan chose not to. You said "to express that she's in pain and exhausted from the ongoing war" so this means that she needed a rest. Because if she doesn't need a rest, why would she stop fighting? Why does she needs to "express her pain and exhaustion" ? AND it's Radahn who waited, not Malenia.
Did you read my original comment and comprehend it properly? Where and when did I say "Radahn was entirely ready to continue fighting post-bloom" ? All I say is that Radahn did not need a break as he was ready to throw hands, unlike Malenia. Who fixed her arm and rested at the same time. IF Malenia didn’t need to take a rest she would have continued fighting Radahn despite her arms falling off or fixing her arm while fighting. You even putting an argument that branches out from my original comment about this specific topic lol.
So..... tapping into GODLIKE or GODHOOD isn't a power? Lmao you're funny. If someone doesn't have POWER they wouldn't be able to advance her ascension to godhood, wouldn't they? Furthermore, if she cant control it, why did Malenia sacrifice herself? Like Milicent said:
"There is something I must return to Malenia.
The will that was once her own.
The dignity,
the sense of self,
that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot."
Then if she doesn't control it, why was she able to bloom again when she fought the Tarnished? Before you say that Malenia didn't bloom again, here are her words "The scarlet bloom flowers once more. You will witness true horror. Now, rot!"
"To boot, there is nothing in game that even hints at him being held back by the spell on the stars" With this logic, then you should be able to perform 100% perfectly on your job while holding a piss or a $hit then. And do you think holding something that has something to do with a god and/or empyrean fate is an easy feat?
"having his mind rot and his personality disappears without breaking the spell shows that concentration is not a requirement to hold it"
Every piece of action requires concentration, it's not a headcanon it's common sense. Then if you really study the lore you know that even if someone loses their mind and goes "hollow" they will still do their job, duty, etc. You calling me out about things yet you can't even see a simple theme about "losing minds" in Fromsoft games.
Before calling someone baseless do your research first. Here's the description from Finlay's ashes
"Finlay was one of the few survivors of the Battle of Aeonia, who in an unimaginable act of heroism carried the slumbering demigod Malenia all the way back to the Haligtree."
And here look, a video from VaatiVidya, the most meticulous person about the lore, who DID NOT deny that Malenia passed out after blooming. If he deny it, he would rebuke it in the video. Watch it at 35:45
https://youtu.be/UV3P8c5kNNQ?t=2147
According to logic? According to Finlay's ashes description? Because why would Finlay save and CARRIED Malenia's BODY if Malenia is still conscious and able to walk back by herself to the Haligtree? Furthermore, do you even understand the word "slumbering" means? Slumbering means sleeping. Do you think that a sleeping person can fight, walk, etc without putting themselves in danger?
Finlay saving Malenia in the aftermath of Caelid's battles doesn't entitle her to save Malenia during the fight with Tarnished. Besides, by the time the Tarnished fought Malenia, Finlay is long dead, that's why Finlay became an Ashes.
You are calling me out, implying that I don't know the lore. Yet you yourself doesn't even know the lore properly. You don't even able to comprehend what my original comment is about, and some of your arguments branched out.
No he couldn't, this is literally their first meeting. She removed her arm until she noticed she wasn't actually done. "needed a rest", given she clips her arm back on and stalemates Radahn, clearly it wasn't much needed...It's "Radahn who waited" so Malenia not taking a stance until he finishes picking up his swords is what? Save the double standards...
The script doesn't mention Radahn being in any position to kill Malenia, he's not even the focus of the scene itself. CG WORLD VOLUME 286 - Literally spare me your head cannon.
"Did you read my original comment and comprehend it properly? Where and when did I say "Radahn was entirely ready to continue fighting post-bloom" ? All I say is that Radahn did not need a break as he was ready to throw hands, unlike Malenia. Who fixed her arm and rested at the same time. IF Malenia didn’t need to take a rest she would have continued fighting Radahn despite her arms falling off or fixing her arm while fighting. You even putting an argument that branches out from my original comment about this specific topic lol"
Again, more head cannon from someone who clearly hasn't done their homework. You make implications about Radahn not needing a break and Malenia needing one without the slightest hint as to what was actually happening pre-cutscene. Only one side of the internal monologue is even hinted at. But you've already figured it out...in favor of Radahn...
"So..... tapping into GODLIKE or GODHOOD isn't a power? Lmao you're funny. If someone doesn't have POWER they wouldn't be able to advance her ascension to godhood, wouldn't they? Furthermore, if she cant control it, why did Malenia sacrifice herself? Like Milicent said:
"There is something I must return to Malenia.
The will that was once her own.
The dignity,
the sense of self,
that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot."
Then if she doesn't control it, why was she able to bloom again when she fought the Tarnished? Before you say that Malenia didn't bloom again, here are her words "The scarlet bloom flowers once more. You will witness true horror. Now, rot!"
The bloom itself isn't a power...the fact that she was susceptible to rot and couldn't make use of the Scarlet Aeonia regularly until her second bloom is literal proof of it. Choosing to let the rot out by blooming and having full control of it like in her 2nd phase as an attack that has no backlash are two entirely separate scenarios. Again, something she repressed her entire life and let out for the first time on Radahn. To imply she was in control or familiar with the rots power is asinine.
"Every piece of action requires concentration, it's not a head cannon it's common sense. Then if you really study the lore you know that even if someone loses their mind and goes "hollow" they will still do their job, duty, etc. You calling me out about things yet you can't even see a simple theme about "losing minds" in Fromsoft games"
"Common sense" applied to a video game with entire different laws to it's reality isn't common sense at all. This isn't Dark Souls, going hollow because of the dark sign which humans were cursed with is in no way shape or form related to going insane because half of your brain gets rotted away...Spare me your head cannon again about themes, it's all just implied nonsense, again....in favor of Radahn...
"Before calling someone baseless do your research first. Here's the description from Finlay's ashes
"Finlay was one of the few survivors of the Battle of Aeonia, who in an unimaginable act of heroism carried the slumbering demigod Malenia all the way back to the Haligtree."
And here look, a video from VaatiVidya, the most meticulous person about the lore, who DID NOT deny that Malenia passed out after blooming. If he deny it, he would rebuke it in the video. Watch it at 35:45
https://youtu.be/UV3P8c5kNNQ?t=2147"
Finlay's lore says nothing about fighting Radahn nor saving Malenia from him. So again...where is your proof that he was present and intervened before Radahn could kill her? I literally don't care what VaatiVidya says...I can do my own research and stand on the actual facts given by the game. To even imply that his word is somehow proof when the game itself provides nothing to actually back it shows that you have nothing concrete so defer to popularity to try and hold ground. To boot, he reads the entire quote and also doesn't imply that Finlay had any encounter with Radahn...because there is 0 lore supporting that head cannon...Finlay fights unnamed enemies along the way...Malenia was impaled to Radahns back via her sword...literally NOTHING explains how they separated nor who was involved. Anything suggested is head cannon. Research does not equal watching a Youtube video so you don't have to think lmao.
"According to logic? According to Finlay's ashes description? Because why would Finlay save and CARRIED Malenia's BODY if Malenia is still conscious and able to walk back by herself to the Haligtree? Furthermore, do you even understand the word "slumbering" means? Slumbering means sleeping. Do you think that a sleeping person can fight, walk, etc without putting themselves in danger?
Finlay saving Malenia in the aftermath of Caelid's battles doesn't entitle her to save Malenia during the fight with Tarnished. Besides, by the time the Tarnished fought Malenia, Finlay is long dead, that's why Finlay became an Ashes.
You are calling me out, implying that I don't know the lore. Yet you yourself doesn't even know the lore properly. You don't even able to comprehend what my original comment is about, and some of your arguments branched out"
More like according to head cannon. It is a fact that Finlay carried Malenia back to the Haligtree and fought to protect her along the way. Bringing her back to her home to be by her brothers side is about as heroic as her feats get. But we literally don't know where Malenia was found. You're implying he saved her from certain death as if Caelid isn't 90% rot born/afflicted beings that worship malenia. You imply that she was in danger without knowing where she was even found.
Radahn didn't even clean out the remaining forces of clean rot knights, there is 0 lore to imply he helped stave off the rot that was spreading before his mind went. We know his forces ultimately did lose to the rot and burned their crest as a vow to stay behind and keep the rot contained with fire.
Your arguments literally sit on "logic" which is just head cannon that let's you pain Radahn in a prettier light. The very fact that you imply Malenia needed a break when a script released 2 years ago literally states the opposite only magnifies how much head cannon you rely on as "logic". It was a simple matter of noticing that she wasn't done clearing the field, had nothing to do with needing the break given she clearly fights him to an eventual stalemate...but sure...."logic"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXsgjONaFbw
You calling me using headcanon while you using headcanon yourself.
Here it is:
How do you know it's their first meeting? Which page and which line of CG WORLD VOLUME 286 states it is their first meeting?
Okay so tell me then, if Malenia didn't need a time out before or during the fight. Why wouldn't she fight Radahn continuously while Radahn observed her? She only fights continuously when her arms are shattered and she pulls her big nuke.
Your explanation about the rot bloom does not make any sense and you fail to understand what does power mean. Power is the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events. The ability to do something or act in a particular way.
A power can have side effects on its user. For example. Ash of War: Bloody Slash. Each use of that skill/power the user got their HP reduced. Melina, has the power to burn the erdtree, but she has to die in doing so. And before calling burning the Erdtree doesn't need any power, then why cant the Tarnished burn it by himself? The Tarnished are only able to burn the Erdtree by themself after receiving power from the three fingers. Madness incantations give you the ability to deal heavy dmg, but using it too much causes madness buildup and if it exceeds the limit, it will hurt the user.
No matter how often she uses the bloom, no matter whether she gets hurt or not. If she is able to use it in her favour to OVERPOWER her enemies or obstacle, it is still a power. If it's not a power, what is it then? lol.
You're rich for calling someone "not thinking" while you cant even do an analysis.
So you don't think that after Malenia passed out, there is a probability that Radahn's soldier, the beast, the rot, the environment, or even the crazy Radahn himself eventually would find Malenia? And did I ever say that Finlay SPECIFICALLY saves Malenia from Radahn RIGHT AFTER THE SCARLET BLOOM? Because as far as I remember, I only said that Finlay saved Malenia, and if Finlay doesn't, Malenia would be dead. STOP claiming that I stated something while in fact I did not.
So, you are dismissing the usage of a relevant discussion? Second party or third party information because "I can do my own research"? Watching a media that has related information is not research? Is it bad to use another source of information as a reference? If it is, why would a lot of research use another source of information as a reference? How come watching a video WITH RELEVANT INFORMATION is not research? ANYTHING can be part of research whatever the format is in.
Duh, Malenia would be dead if it's not because of Finlay. Even if Caelid isn't 90% rot born/afflicted beings that worship malenia do you think they can treat her injuries and her rot? Remember that Malenia is dying from the injuries and the Rot. And if you say that the bugs/worshiper can treat her, then how about Milicent? She has an injury and rot. those bugs leaves her to death.
Radahn didn't even clean out the remaining forces of clean rot knights because he went crazy and somehow got himself locked in the beach far away from the hearts of aeonia. AND when did I ever said that Radahn he helped stave off the rot? What does it relates to the point I said?
You called me out for a headcanon, yet you used a headcanon as well.
Your arguments often branch out. You also making things up about my argument, as if I said it and tried to use it to your benefit.
You mocked me for using a youtube as part of my research. Yet you can't even understand what can be considered as a research or not. Furthermore, if you really read my argument, the youtube videos just re-stating fact available in the wiki in game lore, not making new analysis.
You demean my usage of "logic" while you cant even make a simple analysis, that you cant even see the possibility that a passed-out person might DIE in the middle of a warzone. A warzone that is toxic to her as well.
Instead of providing a good argument and analysis you always resort to using the word "head cannon" as your argument, you cant even spell it correctly. You have no right to call me out for "headcanon" while, in fact, you fail to understand the nature of this discussion thread, which is to have an analysis debate. Look at my original comment and the person I debate with. We both made our analysis to find an answer, not calling each other "headcanon" which make me agree with him on certain point. Yet with you? meh.
We're talking pre-bloom where Radahn is seen standing over a clearly injured Malenia in the cinematic (see above comment). And Radahn seemingly did NOT lose his entire personality because he still rides atop his beloved horse. Also, he is still holding back the stars in his rotted state.
It...literally does. What, did you think Radahn developed the habit of eating corpses BEFORE he was rotted lol?
They are one in the same.
You quite literally see hundreds, possibly thousands of stars advancing in the sky and in space after Radahn's death. Who tf cares what their size was lmao. They all look the same ( like comets), but the one that crashes into the Lands Between is the closest to us and it leaves a gigantic blue streak in the sky. From that, it's safe to assume that some must be gigantic if the one that hit the Lands between made a crater THAT big.
We see Radahn resorting to cannibalism and eating his comrades and enemies alike in that one cutscene. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to therefore reasonably conclude that he would have done the same to Malenia's cocoon after she bloomed. There's no doubt about it: Without Finlay, Malenia would have surely died.
Greetings 4 months after, OP.
Miquella planned Radhan demise in one way or another, in fact he was actually aware of his role in the great scheme of things (become Miquella consort after he ascended to godhood) so poor Malenia obeying Miquella orders attempted to kill him....We all know she failed and we had to finish the job during the war festival.
We were all pawns in Miquella sick game, OP but Radhan actually signed for it. Now i invite you to draw your own conclusion!