here is a question for every elden ring player

[Zaakuna]

1 ). why it is so easy to create a magic or magic hybrid build compare to incantation or incantation hybrid build???
note :- str n dex is also so easy..

2) . does dex really effective incantation speed .....???

3). why is talismans that increase dex ,int ,str, faith, even exists that's just five points we can get more damage using other talismans that we get before them..????

this should be sufficient for now....
let's see what u guys have to say.......

[2001 Space Oddity]

1. Early sorceries are a little faster to cast and have decent tracking, early incants like catch flame and flame sling are good but catch flame has the range of a dagger and flame sling is slow. Hybrid incant builds are easy though, especially fth/str.

2. Yes, dex speeds up casting. It's better for spamming spells than a single cast though.

3. They exist so you can use weapons/spells you don't have the stats for yet.

[Unimpressed]

1) Magic builds are generally more straight-forward yea, but waaay less flexible (access to less types of elemental damage, less buffs and defensive options like golden vow for example and less access to poison / rot status which is a pretty big deal in some cases).

2) Yes dex does speed up casting time for all spells, i believe it caps out at 70 dex, but you can get better casting speed from talismans too if you dont want to bother with leveling it.

3) Those talismans are mostly useful at the start of the game if you want to use a specific weapon early, or for low lvl challenge runs. They also stack with the crystal tears and godricks greatrune so even late game you can get some use out of them with the right build setup.

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by 2001 Space Oddity:

1. Early sorceries are a little faster to cast and have decent tracking, early incants like catch flame and flame sling are good but catch flame has the range of a dagger and flame sling is slow. Hybrid incant builds are easy though, especially fth/str.

2. Yes, dex speeds up casting. It's better for spamming spells than a single cast though.

3. They exist so you can use weapons/spells you don't have the stats for yet.

ok i acknowledged ur 3 ans as for 2 if u r right then name the effected incantation....
for 1 that not related to the question asked...

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by Unimpressed:

1) Magic builds are generally more straight-forward yea, but waaay less flexible (access to less types of elemental damage, less buffs and defensive options like golden vow for example and less access to poison / rot status which is a pretty big deal in some cases).

2) Yes dex does speed up casting time for all spells, i believe it caps out at 70 dex, but you can get better casting speed from talismans too if you dont want to bother with leveling it.

3) Those talismans are mostly useful at the start of the game if you want to use a specific weapon early, or for low lvl challenge runs. They also stack with the crystal tears and godricks greatrune so even late game you can get some use out of them with the right build setup.

for 1st u are sure there are not many support magic spell ...... for 2 i don't really see the cast time difference in incantations as for faith build only damage option is holy damage which not very effective... as 3 why u fill up talismans pouch just for 5 points but u are particularly right here

[Unimpressed]

Originally posted by Zaakuna:

Originally posted by Unimpressed:

1) Magic builds are generally more straight-forward yea, but waaay less flexible (access to less types of elemental damage, less buffs and defensive options like golden vow for example and less access to poison / rot status which is a pretty big deal in some cases).

2) Yes dex does speed up casting time for all spells, i believe it caps out at 70 dex, but you can get better casting speed from talismans too if you dont want to bother with leveling it.

3) Those talismans are mostly useful at the start of the game if you want to use a specific weapon early, or for low lvl challenge runs. They also stack with the crystal tears and godricks greatrune so even late game you can get some use out of them with the right build setup.

for 1st u are sure there are not many support magic spell ...... for 2 i don't really see the cast time difference in incantations as for faith build only damage option is holy damage which not very effective... as 3 why u fill up talismans pouch just for 5 points but u are particularly right here

You'll mostly notice the cast time diff on very slow spells, for fast and even medium speed its barely noticable. I don't know how far you are in the game but Faith has access to a lot more than just holy dmg - fire, lightning and physical dmg incantations scale with Faith, and all the dragon spells also benefit from leveling it.

[Faust Wither]

1. because it depend on game progression and which spell you can access.
3. probalby because eventualy stat increase talisman become useless.

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by Faust Wither:

1. because it depend on game progression and which spell you can access.
3. probalby because eventualy stat increase talisman become useless.

Yes at least someone knows the answers

[Shift]

1 - Incantations are mostly designed for support and buffs, sorceries are designed for damage. So if your focus is dealing big damage by casting incantations alone, you're going to be a little disappointed. Also, by having all these different types, means you must manage all these distinct seals when it comes to dealing maximum damage with them.

2 - Yes it does, but it's not day and night difference like you may be thinking. It's enough to escape being spell canceled against faster enemies. Pay attention and you'll see there is a difference.

3 - They mostly serve to allow the use of certain weapons without going out of your way leveling that stat. They have their own niche use that most people would only find useful at early game. Their purpose isn't to increase damage or make you stronger, just to unlock a certain weapon/spell earlier or outside your intended build for just a short while.

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by Unimpressed:

Originally posted by Zaakuna:

for 1st u are sure there are not many support magic spell ...... for 2 i don't really see the cast time difference in incantations as for faith build only damage option is holy damage which not very effective... as 3 why u fill up talismans pouch just for 5 points but u are particularly right here

You'll mostly notice the cast time diff on very slow spells, for fast and even medium speed its barely noticable. I don't know how far you are in the game but Faith has access to a lot more than just holy dmg - fire, lightning and physical dmg incantations scale with Faith, and all the dragon spells also benefit from leveling it.

Bro i have beaten the game with all builds str, dex, magic, incantation, dragon's incantation whis arcane n have used all weapon except dlc... These questions are just for fun n checking is there anything that i current don't no....or may what other people's knows.. Incantation does get effected by dex but only those that can not be changed... N these only few of them maybe 4-5..

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by Shift:

1 - Incantations are mostly designed for support and buffs, sorceries are designed for damage. So if your focus is dealing big damage by casting incantations alone, you're going to be a little disappointed. Also, by having all these different types, means you must manage all these distinct seals when it comes to dealing maximum damage with them.

2 - Yes it does, but it's not day and night difference like you may be thinking. It's enough to escape being spell canceled against faster enemies. Pay attention and you'll see there is a difference.

3 - They mostly serve to allow the use of certain weapons without going out of your way leveling that stat. They have their own niche use that most people would only find useful at early game. Their purpose isn't to increase damage or make you stronger, just to unlock a certain weapon/spell earlier or outside your intended build for just a short while.

For 1 to be clear im not it is difficult to play with incantation what i m saying is it's is difficult to make faith build... Compere to others n what is the reason behind it.

Read the above reply as. Well for 2
As for 3 u nailed the answer i don't think there can be more accurate answer for it.

[2001 Space Oddity]

Originally posted by Zaakuna:

Originally posted by 2001 Space Oddity:

1. Early sorceries are a little faster to cast and have decent tracking, early incants like catch flame and flame sling are good but catch flame has the range of a dagger and flame sling is slow. Hybrid incant builds are easy though, especially fth/str.

2. Yes, dex speeds up casting. It's better for spamming spells than a single cast though.

3. They exist so you can use weapons/spells you don't have the stats for yet.

ok i acknowledged ur 3 ans as for 2 if u r right then name the effected incantation....
for 1 that not related to the question asked...

Ok then what do you mean it's difficult to make a incant build? Just level faith and get some incants. Why is that harder for you than leveling int and getting sorceries?

[LuckyCheshire]

Alright, other people have answered in very similar ways, but my takes are:

1. The opposite is true for me, as far as hybrid builds go. Sorceries are very offense-oriented, so Int builds are strongest when the casting is the focus. Incantations are more support-focused, so they work very well for hybrid builds. They also have a lot more versatility in damage types. And just by personal preference, I would much rather have access to healing spells and buffs than a thousand variations on Magic Missile.

2. It does, but by a very infinitesimal amount. It's worth having, but it's not as big a deal as a lot of people think.

3. For three reasons: To let players test out weapons that they're just a little under the requirements for. To do the Goldmask questline. And to let people on RL1 runs use a wider range of weaponry than would otherwise be available.

[WhateverWorks]

In this topic, we see a wild OP asking questions then arguing with anyone who answers those questions. These topics never make much sense. There's not really a point in making a topic asking questions if you've already decided your opinions are the only "correct" ones.

Personally I've never had much luck doing hybrid-sorcery. It always just ends up becoming a full casting build, or a full melee build that scales on INT. On the other hand, incantations are almost perfectly designed to be in a hybrid build. Resistance spells, healing spells, buffs, sneak spells. All things that are helpful to have just in general regardless of the build. Then there are the dragon breath spells, so access to elements and bleed/rot regardless of the build.

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by 2001 Space Oddity:

Originally posted by Zaakuna:

ok i acknowledged ur 3 ans as for 2 if u r right then name the effected incantation....
for 1 that not related to the question asked...

Ok then what do you mean it's difficult to make a incant build? Just level faith and get some incants. Why is that harder for you than leveling int and getting sorceries?

Let's see we need at 50 faith to use all incantation and if i have that much faith my level will be too high for limgrave of lurina even for leyndell of atlas plaute my character will be like 150+ but either we need to explore 50%+ map area n a lot of time..
What the point of making faith build i clear that amount of map with physical damage weapons..... Remaining Bose be 4 to 5.. Ruffely

Why don't try n see ur self

[Zaakuna]

Originally posted by WhateverWorks:

In this topic, we see a wild OP asking questions then arguing with anyone who answers those questions. These topics never make much sense. There's not really a point in making a topic asking questions if you've already decided your opinions are the only "correct" ones.

Personally I've never had much luck doing hybrid-sorcery. It always just ends up becoming a full casting build, or a full melee build that scales on INT. On the other hand, incantations are almost perfectly designed to be in a hybrid build. Resistance spells, healing spells, buffs, sneak spells. All things that are helpful to have just in general regardless of the build. Then there are the dragon breath spells, so access to elements and bleed/rot regardless of the build.

Oke here the answer incantation are simply to much op to get easily n that why we need to be higher lvl to make faith build here if u thorw 40 vigor 40 mind 40 end 20str 40dex n over 50+ faith n now we are actually boss monsters for all bosses