Melina and Ranni question

[Sauron]

I quote Melina:
"Me, I'm searching for my purpose given to me by my mother inside the Erdtree long ago, for the reason that I yet live, burned and bodyless."

The only other character, burned and bodyless, is Ranni/Renna. Rannis parent is also Marika/Radagon.

Ranni's doll body has a broken right eye, Melina broken left eye with the black knifeprint on it.

Ranni is a witch and a demigod so taking on different appearances is in her power i imagine.

[Grey Mauser]

Melina is said to be Messmer's younger sister in the game and we see Marika pull the rune of death out of Melina's eye in her serpent form in the story trailer. Idk if I will elaborate on this.

[Key]

No, Melina and Ranni are completely different people and complete opposite in many ways.

[Old Captain Yon]

Messmer takes out his right eye which is a seal of Marika.

It seems that eye seals (soreseals, actually) are something like control devices, keeping their owners in control of the greater will.

"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance."

Ranni and Melina however both opposed the Greater will in some way. Melina wants you to burn tree and challenge the gods, Ranni wants to get rid of Fingers and later of the cosmic influence on this world. It would be natural if they were implanted with such eyes at some time, and then took them out to unleash their true nature. Just like Messmer does it out of desperation during his bossfight.

A neat little theory

[Sauron]

Originally posted by Old Captain Yon:

Messmer takes out his right eye which is a seal of Marika.

It seems that eye seals (soreseals, actually) are something like control devices, keeping their owners in control of the greater will.

"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance."

Ranni and Melina however both opposed the Greater will in some way. Melina wants you to burn tree and challenge the gods, Ranni wants to get rid of Fingers and later of the cosmic influence on this world. It would be natural if they were implanted with such eyes at some time, and then took them out to unleash their true nature. Just like Messmer does it out of desperation during his bossfight.

A neat little theory

I haven't gotten in to the dlc lore myself but it seems to me that "melina" fullfills one step of the way towards "rannis" goal and "ranni" the last by ofc using the chosen tarnished. I think it's the same person.

[Old Captain Yon]

Originally posted by M o t t a:

Originally posted by Old Captain Yon:

Messmer takes out his right eye which is a seal of Marika.

It seems that eye seals (soreseals, actually) are something like control devices, keeping their owners in control of the greater will.

"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance."

Ranni and Melina however both opposed the Greater will in some way. Melina wants you to burn tree and challenge the gods, Ranni wants to get rid of Fingers and later of the cosmic influence on this world. It would be natural if they were implanted with such eyes at some time, and then took them out to unleash their true nature. Just like Messmer does it out of desperation during his bossfight.

A neat little theory

I haven't gotten in to the dlc lore myself but it seems to me that "melina" fullfills one step of the way towards "rannis" goal and "ranni" the last by ofc using the chosen tarnished. I think it's the same person.

Melina is definitely a different person since she has the unique power to burn divine trees, shared with her brother Messmer (dlc lore). I doubt Ranni would have needed Fingerslayer blade and stuff if she got that power, also her goal is different: Ranni wants to become a god and get rid of greater will, Melina wants to pretty much keep this world as is but wit you as Marika's new lord. Besides, Melina freaks out when you inherit the frenzy flame while Ranni doesn't give a damn.

[zero]

different people with different goals, though there is some overlap in the need for an elden lord to complete either.

[Grey Mauser]

Originally posted by Old Captain Yon:

Messmer takes out his right eye which is a seal of Marika.

It seems that eye seals (soreseals, actually) are something like control devices, keeping their owners in control of the greater will.

"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance."

Ranni and Melina however both opposed the Greater will in some way. Melina wants you to burn tree and challenge the gods, Ranni wants to get rid of Fingers and later of the cosmic influence on this world. It would be natural if they were implanted with such eyes at some time, and then took them out to unleash their true nature. Just like Messmer does it out of desperation during his bossfight.

A neat little theory

The giant trailer snake's has a right eye however implying Melina never got the implant before dying at the hands of Maliketh and Marika (Messmer's serpent form has a hollow eyesocket in place of the eye where he had the implant after he rips the said implant out). Judging by the amount of spiral imagery in Godskin Cult weapons - especially Melina's own signature Godslayer Greatsword - as well as the fact Marika kills her in the trailer and she didn't have an eye implant I'd assume Melina not only took a liking to the Horned Freaks (albeit the Godslayer Greatsword was forged before the Golden Order became a thing, Godskin Cult seems to have gone through very little change over the time, and it is implied that Marika was on good terms with the Hornsent before creating the Golden Order so it could just be that way as a way to make the Hornsent think they are friends) but also rebelled against Marika - most likely to preserve death within the world, which Marika desperately wanted to be rid of.

[Chris1]

Why does Ranni care about Torrent and Torrent's former master? The only connection between Melina and Ranni in the game is via Torrent - Melina gives you Torrent and Ranni for some reason cares that you can summon him.

[Sauron]

Originally posted by Chris1:

Why does Ranni care about Torrent and Torrent's former master? The only connection between Melina and Ranni in the game is via Torrent - Melina gives you Torrent and Ranni for some reason cares that you can summon him.

That's true and also one of the things that brought me to the idea, I've leveled ~15-20 different characters throught the base game and always start it by running to meet Melina and then runnung to meet Renna. Renna asks about Torrent, as if she is trying to emphasize torrent to the tarnished. It seems to me it's the same person playing a trick to move the pawn in the right direction.
But ofc it could just be a practical way to emphasize the importance of riding the horse through npc dialoge by the devs and there is no connection between the two npcs in that regard, and it's just a little bit clunky implemented in terms of storytelling and a little bit 4th wall breaking.

Also I'm curious to find out more about messmer and more stories about eyes. It seems Fingerprint grapes are just the beginning and there is more to it.

[aaron_cotton]

Originally posted by Grey Mauser:

Melina is said to be Messmer's younger sister in the game and we see Marika pull the rune of death out of Melina's eye in her serpent form in the story trailer. Idk if I will elaborate on this.

What? How do you know that was Melina's serpent form?

[Grey Mauser]

Originally posted by aaron_cotton:

Originally posted by Grey Mauser:

Melina is said to be Messmer's younger sister in the game and we see Marika pull the rune of death out of Melina's eye in her serpent form in the story trailer. Idk if I will elaborate on this.

What? How do you know that was Melina's serpent form?

It looks like a snake with no scales, stitches, pure white skin, a pale right eye. And we know Melina holds fire powers just like her brother, as well as she is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, so it's not a far fetch to say that the snake in he trailer was indeed Melina's serpent form.