These quests for the dlc actually suck so bad when it comes to doing certain things

[a person]

My biggest issue with the game is how you can easily get locked out of a reward for a quest or you can make something harder if you just do one simple thing before hand (spoilers ahead for people who haven’t finished the dlc) Want to do ansbachs quest after helping hornsent? Nope, you can’t now. Wanna get swift slash aow by helping hornsent after entering messmers boss arena (not even killing him)? Nah, your locked out of that part now, better luck on your next new game plus pal! Comfort Moore and say he can move on after miquellas charm breaks? Well now he’s going to assist Leda in their fight and you have to kill him in combat. Have fun! I literally entered Messmers fight once, came back to try and get the summon signs to help hornsent, but now they’re gone because I basically looked at messmer in-game? For a game that wants me to explore its very hard to do that without locking myself out of getting something else.

[opus132]

It's always been like that.

Dark Souls was designed with replayability in mind. Things are meant to be discovered naturally across multiple characters or multiple new game cycles.

The very fact you CAN'T get everything in one playthrough should tip off you aren't meant to just have everything or do everything in one character after one game cycle.

In Dark Souls you could skip entire areas if you missed out on clues and secrets. It's how those games always worked.

[Meewec]

base game questing sucked which is why i went and looked up all the dlc npc quests so i could plan out my actions regarding them

[AlmaDarkSpell]

Fromsoftware quests have always been like this and they have always been terrible. What happens is that with Elden Ring it hurts more to loose them because of how long the game is and because (at least for me) the game does not invite me to replay it at all. That's the reason why I have 3 characters and haven't done ng+ with any of them. And in order to finish all the quests at least with 1 char, I had to look at guides. And once I was able to complete them all, I can guarantee that there is no natural organic way to finish them all. It is simply impossible to finish them all just by playing. Especially if it involves grabbing the 7 cookbooks that the pest gives you. On top of that, if you want all items, you have to master some quests at least two times. If you really want that, youtube will be your only friend on this.

[StarlightAsh♡]

if you can do a quest without the wiki open and a guide video at the ready it aint a fromsoft game

[AlmaDarkSpell]

I follow this guide on my second run to complete quests and missable content:

https://youtu.be/PhadS_cCJtY?si=_mWtEPx_JWThy6zF

I completed absolutely all the quests inside the dlc by following every detail on the 4 videos that this guide contains step by step. The same YouTuber has another similar, more summarized guide. If you want to follow them. I can confirm they are good guides and you will get everything if you do everything in the specified order.

[a person]

Ursprungligen skrivet av AlmaDarkSpell:

I follow this guide on my second run to complete quests and missable content:

https://youtu.be/PhadS_cCJtY?si=_mWtEPx_JWThy6zF

I completed absolutely all the quests inside the dlc by following every detail on the 4 videos that this guide contains step by step. The same YouTuber has another similar, more summarized guide. If you want to follow them. I can confirm they are good guides and you will get everything if you do everything in the specified order.

Thanks! I’ll be sure to check that out on my second playthrough

[a person]

Ursprungligen skrivet av opus132:

It's always been like that.

Dark Souls was designed with replayability in mind. Things are meant to be discovered naturally across multiple characters or multiple new game cycles.

The very fact you CAN'T get everything in one playthrough should tip off you aren't meant to just have everything or do everything in one character after one game cycle.

In Dark Souls you could skip entire areas if you missed out on clues and secrets. It's how those games always worked.

But it still sucks. Doesn’t matter what stand point you look at for it. It sucks currently, and it has always sucked. Guides and wikis are basically mandatory to do a quest. Because you never know when you can’t or cannot do something or where someone goes after something because they simply disappear after resting somewhere. This is my biggest problem with souls games. The quests. And it’s not like sometimes you come across them naturally. Never check out that wall by dashing into it? Well you just missed spotting an npc who gives a powerful item. After corhynn left from the round table hold I never found him and he just died before I could because I killed some bosses. You know Iron Alexander? Well I doubt anyone could find every where he goes without a guide. I tried to finish the quest to get his talisman but he was still in mt gelmir and I looked at a guide and spent about an hour trying to get around the map, looking at another guide, then finally making it to him so I could finish his quest for a talisman. It’s just not good. No guide? Your not finding them.

[Janthis]

Ursprungligen skrivet av opus132:

It's always been like that.

Dark Souls was designed with replayability in mind. Things are meant to be discovered naturally across multiple characters or multiple new game cycles.

The very fact you CAN'T get everything in one playthrough should tip off you aren't meant to just have everything or do everything in one character after one game cycle.

In Dark Souls you could skip entire areas if you missed out on clues and secrets. It's how those games always worked.

To be honest I'm not sure it was even possible to discover some of the secrets/quests just by playing, people must have been doing datamining or obsessively searching every area or something.

[chrstnmonks]

yeah and where some of these npcs end up make no sense whatsoever.

[Yellowfrog]

I agree. I played 7 new games and even with guides I missed items.