Jesus, why does the Golden Halberd overpower every other weapon

[Amins]

Playing around with several two-handed giant weapons. Colossal swords, greatswords, great hammers. But none of them come even close to being as strong as Golden Halberd. You get that thing at the very start of the game and yet it's both faster and does way more damage than any other weapon, even several levels below everything else. Sure, holy is resisted by most late-game bosses, but the physical damage on that thing is still staggering. Excellent moveset, too.

The only real downside is that the weapon skill you're stuck with sucks.

[s0d0]

I finished the entire game and the dlc with a two handed golden. This weapon is just absurdly powerful, even on holy resistant bosses the damage is still fine.
And I quite like the moveset, too.
It's insane that you can get it from the second enemy you encounter. :D

The ash of war is pretty useful in the early/mid game where you would focus on strenth rather than faith so you get a slightly worse buff for 12 faith, and not 25.
Late game it's useless but the overall damage makes up for it.

[EF_Neo1st]

Escrito originalmente por Amins:

Playing around with several two-handed giant weapons. Colossal swords, greatswords, great hammers. But none of them come even close to being as strong as Golden Halberd. You get that thing at the very start of the game and yet it's both faster and does way more damage than any other weapon, even several levels below everything else. Sure, holy is resisted by most late-game bosses, but the physical damage on that thing is still staggering. Excellent moveset, too.

The only real downside is that the weapon skill you're stuck with sucks.

Just Maliketh Blade is stronger with a STR+Faith build (by a tiny bit).

[Amins]

Escrito originalmente por Sonnenbank:

Well Bloodhound Fang can also be aquired very early and its a lot stronger
I managed to take it with level 23 and +2 Rapier weapon from Hound Evergaol in the starting area

Serpent Hunter is probably the strongest weapon of the base game in case you are a skilled player on the gamepad and can be aquired without any fighting about 25minutes into the game. ( you would have to know the secret of how to get to valcano Manour from Raya Lucaria Academy though to get there this early)

Golden Halbert is a good weapon but there are far better weapons in the game.

That's the other one, I wanted to try using Bloodhound Fang, too. But still, I found that Golden Halberd far exceeded it in power. Understandable as the stat requirements are higher, and also Bloodhound Fang has the weapons skill that is decent. For more context, too I suppose, I'm running a fist build, but wanted something longer and stronger for horse combat that I can just do drivebys on junk enemies with. But I did want to play around with them here or there on foot just to get a feel for how versatile they can be.

I hear so many people saying Bloodhound Fang is a cheap and overpowered weapon, but it honestly feels pretty average to me and much more difficult to wield than a lot of other weapons.

[Amins]

Escrito originalmente por StarlightAsh♡:

If you like strong weapons may I introduce you to star fists :)

Yes, Star Fist is going to be my main weapon once I get there. You just don't get it until mid-late game.

But if we're comparing to ease of access, Spiked Caestus is easily the strongest fist weapon available at the beginning of the game (head straight for Dragonbarrow and buy it for only 4000 runes). Big stagger damage, native bleed. It's a beast for how easy to get and cheap it is.

[Sonnenbank(Raphael am zocken)]

Well if you think Bloodhoundsfang is average watch this from my playthrough
And i even messed some moves up and didnt use grease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTTy7pD7t2E

Bloodhoundsfang and Serpent Hunter both require the Player to play good to become op.
you need to know what you are doing

when to l2,r2 when to just l2 when to go for r1 2handed heavys , when to go for r1 1handed heavies.

Bloodhoundsfang requires the player to have knowledge
but if the player has this knowledge it becomes insane

[Amins]

Escrito originalmente por Sonnenbank:

Well if you think Bloodhoundsfang is average watch this from my playthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTTy7pD7t2E

Bloodhoundsfang and Serpent Hunter both require the Player to play good to become op.
you need to know what you are doing

when to l2,r2 when to just l2 when to go for r1 2handed heavys , when to go for r1 1handed heavies.

Bloodhoundsfang requires the player to have knowledge
but if the player has this knowledge it becomes insane

Yeah, most weapons can be really good when you know how to use them. It's just that's one of the weapons I here is beginner friendly and requires no skill to use.

That weapon skill is really strong, but Bloody Helice does a similar thing (dodge backwards before countering with a heavy attack) and is way stronger with massive bleed potential. Of course you don't get it until way later. I just never hear anyone talk about Bloody Helice in the same way they do Bloodhound Fang.

[Count von Bunnyhopven]

Escrito originalmente por Amins:

Escrito originalmente por Sonnenbank:

Well if you think Bloodhoundsfang is average watch this from my playthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTTy7pD7t2E

Bloodhoundsfang and Serpent Hunter both require the Player to play good to become op.
you need to know what you are doing

when to l2,r2 when to just l2 when to go for r1 2handed heavys , when to go for r1 1handed heavies.

Bloodhoundsfang requires the player to have knowledge
but if the player has this knowledge it becomes insane

Yeah, most weapons can be really good when you know how to use them. It's just that's one of the weapons I here is beginner friendly and requires no skill to use.

That weapon skill is really strong, but Bloody Helice does a similar thing (dodge backwards before countering with a heavy attack) and is way stronger with massive bleed potential. Of course you don't get it until way later. I just never hear anyone talk about Bloody Helice in the same way they do Bloodhound Fang.

Thats because its a heavy piercing sword and that entire weapon class is kinda bad after the tracking nerf on the current patch. It was pretty underwhelming before too to be sure.

[Amins]

I'm up to the Mountains now on this character. Other weapons are starting to draw close in comparison, but Golden Halberd is still just as good as it ever has been. Even better than most of what I've been trying. It's at +9, so it's obviously going to be better off than the +8's and +7's, but I can still make educated guesses depending on the stats.

Bloodhound Fang is really coming through now, though. It beats out Golden Halberd in physical damage by about 100 and allegedly gets a bonus to jump attacks, but loses out on the 200 - 300 holy damage of Golden Halberd. Depending on enemy resistances, at worst they are comparable in damage output, and at best Golden Halberd is just plain better with the added Holy damage. Bloodhound Fang is clearly the winner between their AoWs, but if you're prioritizing DPS in your comparisons, it's much closer. Curved Greatswords, I'm finding are still really fun to use. They just have a habit of getting stuck in a second attack animation that I never intend for.

Played around with Blasphemous Blade a little, and yeah, I can see now how it gets its reputation. Really good damage with health regeneration per kill and an insanely good AoW. Not my style, and you don't get it until late game, though. Kind of weird that it scales with Faith instead of Arcane considering the Health Regen and you know, it's literally called "Blasphemous" Blade. But that's another topic.

All in all, the point still stands that Golden Halberd is just insanely overpowered for the point in the game that you get it and stays good through the whole game.

[EF_Neo1st]

Escrito originalmente por Amins:

I'm up to the Mountains now on this character. Other weapons are starting to draw close in comparison, but Golden Halberd is still just as good as it ever has been. Even better than most of what I've been trying. It's at +9, so it's obviously going to be better off than the +8's and +7's, but I can still make educated guesses depending on the stats.

Bloodhound Fang is really coming through now, though. It beats out Golden Halberd in physical damage by about 100 and allegedly gets a bonus to jump attacks, but loses out on the 200 - 300 holy damage of Golden Halberd. Depending on enemy resistances, at worst they are comparable in damage output, and at best Golden Halberd is just plain better with the added Holy damage. Bloodhound Fang is clearly the winner between their AoWs, but if you're prioritizing DPS in your comparisons, it's much closer. Curved Greatswords, I'm finding are still really fun to use. They just have a habit of getting stuck in a second attack animation that I never intend for.

Played around with Blasphemous Blade a little, and yeah, I can see now how it gets its reputation. Really good damage with health regeneration per kill and an insanely good AoW. Not my style, and you don't get it until late game, though. Kind of weird that it scales with Faith instead of Arcane considering the Health Regen and you know, it's literally called "Blasphemous" Blade. But that's another topic.

All in all, the point still stands that Golden Halberd is just insanely overpowered for the point in the game that you get it and stays good through the whole game.

Golden Halberd will falter on final boss and thaat is it, for damage per hit it is great all along (and try dual golden halberds at NG+ with jump attack, stagger and damage per hit is great.

SURE, there can be builds with buffs (and multiple buffs) that put any regular unbuffed stuff to shame, still, for "simple unbuffed gameplay" it is the second highest damage per hit weapon I know of but have the best "damage per hit / attack recovery" ratio for a simple gameplay style that dont rely on buffs.

[519B.]

Meh, Gargoyle's BlackBlade will carry you until endgame.
Get Black Flame Incantation and kill the gargoyle that has it early.

[EF_Neo1st]

Escrito originalmente por 519B.:

Meh, Gargoyle's BlackBlade will carry you until endgame.
Get Black Flame Incantation and kill the gargoyle that has it early.

Gargoyle Greatsword is weaker than Blasphemous Blade that is also weaker than the Golden Halber in dmg/hit. The Blackblade also have thin skill and pales in comparison to the Blasphemous blade skill (that not only hits harder but also recovers HP on hit). Fore the skill and dmg the Blasphemous blade is better, for melee only (no weapon skill) and dmg/hit with reliable attaack recovery and range the Golden Hallberd still wins.

If you mean the Gargoyle black blades (the twin blades) then it is even weaker on dmg/hit and rely more on extra hits for dps.

[Amins]

Escrito originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Golden Halberd will falter on final boss and thaat is it, for damage per hit it is great all along (and try dual golden halberds at NG+ with jump attack, stagger and damage per hit is great.

I actually prefer to just two-hand one halberd. Not sure what the damage / poise damage comparisons are with dual weilding, but I like the attack animations of the single Golden Halberd much better and with my experimentation, seems to do much more poise damage.

This is a recent discovery, though, as it goes against my instinct in my first playthrough that two weapons are always better than one.

[EF_Neo1st]

Escrito originalmente por Amins:

Escrito originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Golden Halberd will falter on final boss and thaat is it, for damage per hit it is great all along (and try dual golden halberds at NG+ with jump attack, stagger and damage per hit is great.

I actually prefer to just two-hand one halberd. Not sure what the damage / poise damage comparisons are with dual weilding, but I like the attack animations of the single Golden Halberd much better and with my experimentation, seems to do much more poise damage.

This is a recent discovery, though, as it goes against my instinct in my first playthrough that two weapons are always better than one.

The poise of 2handed heavy attack is higher but the dmg/hit of 2 golden halberds is a lot higher (also poise is good and you hit an arch in front of you while dodging attacks that can be dodged with jump)

[Amins]

Escrito originalmente por EF_Neo1st:

Escrito originalmente por Amins:

I actually prefer to just two-hand one halberd. Not sure what the damage / poise damage comparisons are with dual weilding, but I like the attack animations of the single Golden Halberd much better and with my experimentation, seems to do much more poise damage.

This is a recent discovery, though, as it goes against my instinct in my first playthrough that two weapons are always better than one.

The poise of 2handed heavy attack is higher but the dmg/hit of 2 golden halberds is a lot higher (also poise is good and you hit an arch in front of you while dodging attacks that can be dodged with jump)

I mostly do jump attacks while dual wielding, especially with weapons as slow as halberds. And I definitely prioritize stance damage. Horse combat is another thing I use halbereds and big weapons for. Yeah, theroetically the DPS would be better while dual wielding, but depending on the attack animation, I end up missing much more. I don't remember what the Dual Golden Halberd jump animation is like, but dual wielding with Guardian Swordspear does an overhead vertical slam as opposed to the horizontal sweep I get from two-handing a single. Much prefer the horizontal. I'd like to take out most common enemies with one or two strikes and keep bosses stunlocked as much as possible.