map design is too confusing

[Tengen Toppa]

I get that they wanted to overlay 2-3 whole areas on top of each other, thus making a "limgrave sized DLC" whilst still having tons of areas confined in that "limgrave sized area". This is cool.
But please, can't you separate the areas in the map?
It's very confusing seeing a site of grace in plane A but it's actually in plane B and they're disconnected, meaning I need to go to another site of grace and continue from there.

It's also VERY confusing when I walk around in an area, which is directly under another area, meaning the map is kinda useless, cuz it doesn't show me any of the road or the land structure, just a huge plains field that's layered on top.

They should've done like an "Underground" to toggle through, like in the base game.
Though "Underground" is not the correct term, it's the principal that matters.

[Fripposo]

clearly 'skill issue'

[SuperJedi]

Stormveil Castle is the worst. Second play through and can't even remember how I bypassed all the guards in the courtyard with the Omen.

[Wushiba]

That's the point. It makes you think. Or at least tries to make you think.

[Sham!]

Dlc map was a lot more fun to explore imho, who cares uf you get lost isnt that kinda the entire point

[Fenix]

The Map isn't 100% correct either. even though there is nothing above me, it's like it says on on the level above me, when I'm more on the outside edge of the area the map says I'm at.

Originally posted by SuperJedi:

Stormveil Castle is the worst. Second play through and can't even remember how I bypassed all the guards in the courtyard with the Omen.

I don't think you can,
you can just run thru without fighting anyone one, but you still have to go thru there.
If you take the right side you can skip the Omen, but deal with the knife birds.... it goes to Nephili Loux
If you go left, run pass the Omen, you can get the grace and then take the Elevator...
either direction leads to the Seclude Cell Grace.

[Fripposo]

THE MAP IS THE ONLY GOOD THING IN THE DLC PEOPLE

[Tengen Toppa]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

That's the point. It makes you think. Or at least tries to make you think.

Nah, it's not about thinking. Thinking is seeing a map and figuring out a path from A to B using roads, elevation and other means. When you have none of the info, you can't "think".

What you can do, however, is just open your eyes and explore the land you see in front of you. Explore well enough, and you won't miss anything.

However, I wasn't complaining about "I'm missing stuff", I complained that if I'm in an area that's fully covered by another piece of land above it, then the map has 0 uses, since it gives you no info on where you can or can't go.
Again, you can just explore with your eyes and see where the wind takes you, but that defeats the purpose of the map.

[AlmaDarkSpell]

I agree. The map in this game have 0 purpose.

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Tengen Toppa:

Originally posted by Wushiba:

That's the point. It makes you think. Or at least tries to make you think.

Nah, it's not about thinking. Thinking is seeing a map and figuring out a path from A to B using roads, elevation and other means. When you have none of the info, you can't "think".

That's not thinking, that's just mindlessly following a path, no thinking required. This map makes you think and makes you re evaluate your knowledge.

There's enough info on the map to get around, you just got to know how to read it, but even without any info on it for certain places you can still "think" and look around and figure out where to go.

Originally posted by Tengen Toppa:

Again, you can just explore with your eyes and see where the wind takes you, but that defeats the purpose of the map.

I don't think it defeats the purpose of the map, it still showed you how to get to certain main parts of the world, it just doesn't show some hidden areas. Perhaps the person who made the map didn't even know about those hidden parts. It gives the feeling of you being the first person setting foot and discovering these secrets for the first time in who knows how long. Like being a true explorer in a long destroyed, ruined world, you can't expect the map to show every secret that haven't been discovered yet by anyone.

The purpose of the map is to show you the main paths but you have to explore the hidden side routes on your own without it, it can't tell you everything, you have to combine "thinking" with the map, can't just let the map do all the work all the time.

[SuperJedi]

Originally posted by Fenix:

The Map isn't 100% correct either. even though there is nothing above me, it's like it says on on the level above me, when I'm more on the outside edge of the area the map says I'm at.

Originally posted by SuperJedi:

Stormveil Castle is the worst. Second play through and can't even remember how I bypassed all the guards in the courtyard with the Omen.

I don't think you can,
you can just run thru without fighting anyone one, but you still have to go thru there.
If you take the right side you can skip the Omen, but deal with the knife birds.... it goes to Nephili Loux
If you go left, run pass the Omen, you can get the grace and then take the Elevator...
either direction leads to the Seclude Cell Grace.

I have no idea. Somehow I skipped all that and ended up on one of the roof tops. Ahh is that with all the storm knights?

[Cheggf]

The map is good for actual navigation, but the sites of grace are basically indecipherable.

[DLC💚TOO🤍HARD💔]

Exploration is a game mechanic to master, therefore skill issue

[Fenix]

Originally posted by SuperJedi:

I have no idea. Somehow I skipped all that and ended up on one of the roof tops. Ahh is that with all the storm knights?

Found it
Rampart Tower site of grace... Two ways
Go out the door to where the Birds are and jump across to the building here (kinda risky)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3298395250
Or Go up the stairs and make you way around the edges, either way you end up by the blade bird with the fire breath
You can make your way here, past the courtyard, you can see the Omen from here.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3298397241

[Nxce]

I get your point, it's confusing because of all the terraforming present in the dlc map. But that's why exploring is that much more enforced than in the base game, and it gives you a reasonable challenge finding other sections of the map as opposed to having your typical A to B route mapped out.

[[Lethalvriend]]

Most games with vertical design tend to struggle with maps, its hard to display 3d space on a 2d plane, especially if it has a lot of different tunnels and whatnot. Perhaps they should have added at least an additional layer for the DLC like in the base game, but the problem is probably.. what do you put up and below when in some areas there are way more layers?

I personally didn't really struggle with navigating, but that's because I've played so many games with complex levels that you kinda learn to identify landmarks, estimate distance etc. I think the open world map of the DLC is way better than the base game, perhaps because I enjoy this kind of exploring.