Overleveled Phantoms should get Overleveled Invaders

[Autumn]

Honestly, just downscale an invader at the same level as the highest-level phantom in the same way the phantom is. I am so tired of invading at level 30 because it's the only bracket that isn't a bullet hell and getting a bullet hell anyways that I have zero chance of actually killing without cheesing the game. Level 30 invasions should involve level 30 phantoms and a level 30 host, not a level 30 host with two bodyguards in full bull goat.

[zero]

invasions aren't duels and are inherently not in the advantage of the invader, never has been, burn some of their resources, win or lose, and then move on.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by zero:

invasions aren't duels and are inherently not in the advantage of the invader, never has been, burn some of their resources, win or lose, and then move on.

I don't care about it being a fair fight, I just want to actually get a fight instead of being chased halfway across the map by someone I have zero chance of ever possibly killing.

[zero]

Originally posted by Toast:

Originally posted by zero:

invasions aren't duels and are inherently not in the advantage of the invader, never has been, burn some of their resources, win or lose, and then move on.

I don't care about it being a fair fight, I just want to actually get a fight instead of being chased halfway across the map by someone I have zero chance of ever possibly killing.

that is literally a fight, but if you want something less then tring to gank random low levels, just pvp at meta like most people do.

[echo_ML]

It's how seamless works. Invaders get matched with highest level phantom. Very nice.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Toast:

I don't care about it being a fair fight, I just want to actually get a fight instead of being chased halfway across the map by someone I have zero chance of ever possibly killing.

that is literally a fight, but if you want something less then tring to gank random low levels, just pvp at meta like most people do.

The meta level kinda sucks, especially now that the DLC's out. Everyone has an infinite supply of everything. Lower-level combat is simpler and more fun and lets me actually see the screen, except for some reason half the time I still end up invading the exact same people I'd be invading at the meta level.

Originally posted by echo_ML:

It's how seamless works. Invaders get matched with highest level phantom. Very nice.

I've got to give seamless a shot at some point, it sounds great.

[zero]

Originally posted by Toast:

Originally posted by zero:

that is literally a fight, but if you want something less then tring to gank random low levels, just pvp at meta like most people do.

The meta level kinda sucks, especially now that the DLC's out. Everyone has an infinite supply of everything. Lower-level combat is simpler and more fun and lets me actually see the screen, except for some reason half the time I still end up invading the exact same people I'd be invading at the meta level.

so excuses, gotcha.

not much else to say about it, if you want to gank and be ganked, do lower levels, if you want more fair fights, go to 150 and have fun there, or use the arena.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Toast:

The meta level kinda sucks, especially now that the DLC's out. Everyone has an infinite supply of everything. Lower-level combat is simpler and more fun and lets me actually see the screen, except for some reason half the time I still end up invading the exact same people I'd be invading at the meta level.

so excuses, gotcha.

not much else to say about it, if you want to gank and be ganked, do lower levels, if you want more fair fights, go to 150 and have fun there, or use the arena.

No, I just like the combat better. Crazily enough that's actually what people invade for is the combat, and the rare moments of actual level 30 v level 30 fighting are insanely fun. I love being able to hit people with a single mostly-normal sword and then be hit back with a single mostly-normal sword in a measured pace, instead of being one of two blenders having hardcore chimpanzee sex while a phantom mage does their best impression of that Pokemon episode that killed a kid.

[Kai]

There's no stat balance in seamless btw if you invade a host who is lv50 while being lv200, all because his buddy is lv200... He'll melt if you so much as look at the host.

Also in the default settings for Seamless co-op, for each member of the host's team, all enemies gains +35% more HP, and bosses +100% hp... But if you invade someone doing custom settings, there's a good change that they changed it so it isn't scaled anymore.

Would be nice if Seamless co-op has a 'life' system where if a invader gets into a 5v1 situation, the invader gets 2 extra auto-revives to make up for the power and number gap. This keeps the invasion going longer and lets you fight more even at a numerical disadvantage instead of it ending from a single team gank.

[zero]

Originally posted by Kai:

There's no stat balance in seamless btw if you invade a host who is lv50 while being lv200, all because his buddy is lv200... He'll melt if you so much as look at the host.

Also in the default settings for Seamless co-op, for each member of the host's team, all enemies gains +35% more HP, and bosses +100% hp... But if you invade someone doing custom settings, there's a good change that they changed it so it isn't scaled anymore.

people also use it with other mods, which can lead to a lot of whacky events of being hit by spells you have no idea what they are doing cause they come from like, the convergence mod or w/e.

[Nihrahk]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Kai:

There's no stat balance in seamless btw if you invade a host who is lv50 while being lv200, all because his buddy is lv200... He'll melt if you so much as look at the host.

Also in the default settings for Seamless co-op, for each member of the host's team, all enemies gains +35% more HP, and bosses +100% hp... But if you invade someone doing custom settings, there's a good change that they changed it so it isn't scaled anymore.

people also use it with other mods, which can lead to a lot of whacky events of being hit by spells you have no idea what they are doing cause they come from like, the convergence mod or w/e.

Yeah, some mods just have insane stuff in it that just tears people apart. I assume if they don't have convergence themselves, they just see someone T posing and get destroyed?

[zero]

Originally posted by Nihrahk:

Originally posted by zero:

people also use it with other mods, which can lead to a lot of whacky events of being hit by spells you have no idea what they are doing cause they come from like, the convergence mod or w/e.

Yeah, some mods just have insane stuff in it that just tears people apart. I assume if they don't have convergence themselves, they just see someone T posing and get destroyed?

that i have no idea on, i'd wager it just looks similar to w/e spell was modified, until you explode painfully from it

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by zero:

invasions aren't duels and are inherently not in the advantage of the invader, never has been, burn some of their resources, win or lose, and then move on.

I agree that if a host is lvl 30 with a lvl 150 and a lvl 250 helpers invader could very well be paired with the coop summons not with host.

[ODINMASTER]

Originally posted by Toast:

Originally posted by zero:

invasions aren't duels and are inherently not in the advantage of the invader, never has been, burn some of their resources, win or lose, and then move on.

I don't care about it being a fair fight, I just want to actually get a fight instead of being chased halfway across the map by someone I have zero chance of ever possibly killing.

maybe just dont invade people then and go to the arena where you can purely focus on pvp duels. Why are you shocked by this when it keeps happening?

[zero]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by zero:

invasions aren't duels and are inherently not in the advantage of the invader, never has been, burn some of their resources, win or lose, and then move on.

I agree that if a host is lvl 30 with a lvl 150 and a lvl 250 helpers invader could very well be paired with the coop summons not with host.

eh, thats just a very fancy way of ensuring the host dies quickly to a high level spell, even with scaling down.

[Autumn]

Originally posted by ODINMASTER:

Originally posted by Toast:

I don't care about it being a fair fight, I just want to actually get a fight instead of being chased halfway across the map by someone I have zero chance of ever possibly killing.

maybe just dont invade people then and go to the arena where you can purely focus on pvp duels. Why are you shocked by this when it keeps happening?

Because I want to do invasions? I think invasions are fun? I've said a couple times now that level 30 invasions are incredibly fun when this doesn't happen.

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

I agree that if a host is lvl 30 with a lvl 150 and a lvl 250 helpers invader could very well be paired with the coop summons not with host.

eh, thats just a very fancy way of ensuring the host dies quickly to a high level spell, even with scaling down.

Pretty easy to avoid that, just don't use overleveled phantoms. OL phantoms are opt-in for the host, they're not opt-in for the invader.