Marika - good. Ranni is villan

[DELAMAIN]

Change my mind.
I dont see anything bad related to Marika.
Kids made mess etc but i see her as good person.
Ranni literaly caused all this bec of selfishness . Godwyn dead , mommy go crazy.
Now Marika resurrect us to free her from Godship by defeating Radagon and making her mortal.
She doesnt want to carry all thi any longer.
Continue as it was or change is our choice as tarnished. I personnaly think Gold mask end fix everything. World become as it was before shattering when all was ok.
And no more fights for crown due to Gold Mask mending rune

[Kim]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Change my mind.

No.

[Akemua]

She caused genocides, and is a slave to the outer will doing their bidding. She's no more "good" than Ranni.

[Zoid13]

no one is 'good' in Froms games lol... maybe Zorayas :)

[Silyon]

The only "good" people in Elden Ring are inconsequential nobodies that have no power and have never done anything of note before getting their entire existence destroyed in some way. Chief among these being Rya, Thops, and Irene.

Want proof of Marika's BS? Your Tarnished is walking proof. We are descendants of a man who was chosen by Marika to fight in her subjugation wars against the Giants, The Dragons, and assorted beast-kings like the Stormhawk King and Serosh. The moment victory was secured, he was stabbed in the back by her ladyship, Grace stripped from him and both he and his warriors exiled to god-knows-where. You might have heard of this man, went by Godfrey at one point.

And that's base-game. There's a WHOLE LOT WORSE you learn about when the DLC comes around. Have fun with that. There are no "good guys", not even the player. Only villains at eachother's throats.

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by Akemua:

She caused genocides, and is a slave to the outer will doing their bidding. She's no more "good" than Ranni.

Not genocide. Revenge to those who putted her ppl to Jars. I would do same.
And not a slave she did shattering and rised tarnished. Also mending rune of Gold mask was found and not created.

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by Silyon:

The only "good" people in Elden Ring are inconsequential nobodies that have no power and have never done anything of note before getting their entire existence destroyed in some way. Chief among these being Rya, Thops, and Irene.

Want proof of Marika's BS? Your Tarnished is walking proof. We are descendants of a man who was chosen by Marika to fight in her subjugation wars against the Giants, The Dragons, and assorted beast-kings like the Stormhawk King and Serosh. The moment victory was secured, he was stabbed in the back by her ladyship, Grace stripped from him and both he and his warriors exiled to god-knows-where. You might have heard of this man, went by Godfrey at one point.

And that's base-game. There's a WHOLE LOT WORSE you learn about when the DLC comes around. Have fun with that. There are no "good guys", not even the player. Only villains at eachother's throats.

Those guys in dlc deseved it

[Zoid13]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Not genocide.

erm. she wiped out the giants because she was afraid their fire might burn the tree.

[Silyon]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Those guys in dlc deseved it

No one deserves Genocide, my man. No one.

[DELAMAIN]

And strongly Believe that she had agreement with GW echange revenge for service.
Mb those wars after shadow realm were fingers desire.
And we dont know if GW still in touch.
Most probably GW lost control and shattered thats why Marika was able to break ER.

Burth of 3 fingers by Methyr representing other half of GW (3+2) fingers.
Same as God and Darkness in Supernatural))

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by Zoid13:

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Not genocide.

erm. she wiped out the giants because she was afraid their fire might burn the tree.

There no thing game stating that all that except dlc was done by Marika and not Methyr.

[Akemua]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Originally posted by Akemua:

She caused genocides, and is a slave to the outer will doing their bidding. She's no more "good" than Ranni.

Not genocide. Revenge to those who putted her ppl to Jars. I would do same.
And not a slave she did shattering and rised tarnished. Also mending rune of Gold mask was found and not created.

Genocide - " The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group"

Regardless of how we feel about it, she did that to them. And, not ONLY them either. We know she caused the genocide of at least once other race, the Giants.

She is basically a slave, my guy. That is literally the reason Ranni did what she did, she wanted the outer wills to go away, because they either outright controlled things, or heavily influenced every facet of life there.

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by Akemua:

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Not genocide. Revenge to those who putted her ppl to Jars. I would do same.
And not a slave she did shattering and rised tarnished. Also mending rune of Gold mask was found and not created.

Genocide - " The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group"

Regardless of how we feel about it, she did that to them. And, not ONLY them either. We know she caused the genocide of at least once other race, the Giants.

She is basically a slave, my guy. That is literally the reason Ranni did what she did, she wanted the outer wills to go away, because they either outright controlled things, or heavily influenced every facet of life there.

Why you think she killed giants and not fingers?
Melina did this with destined Death as all giants have death roots.
Simple order from damaged Methyr.

What i meant that dlc shows that Marika s character was not evil.
Esp wheb you reach her home

[Akemua]

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Originally posted by Akemua:

Genocide - " The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group"

Regardless of how we feel about it, she did that to them. And, not ONLY them either. We know she caused the genocide of at least once other race, the Giants.

She is basically a slave, my guy. That is literally the reason Ranni did what she did, she wanted the outer wills to go away, because they either outright controlled things, or heavily influenced every facet of life there.

Why you think she killed giants and not fingers?
Melina did this with destined Death as all giants have death roots.
Simple order from damaged Methyr.

What i meant that dlc shows that Marika s character was not evil.
Esp wheb you reach her home

And the base game shows Ranni not evil, which is the point of your thread. What's your point in all this?

You justify Marika's genocides, but state Ranni is evil because she didn't want the outer wills controlling everything?

Make it make sense.

[DELAMAIN]

I was in village today. And i felt her pain.
Devs did this intentionally....
I understand why she did that in dlc.
They putted ppl in jars....
That flowes, small erdtree, music....man.
.
She veuled all past to build new good future.
Made a family she lost in jars...
Removed rune of death to not feel pain again.
Ranni destroyed all

[DELAMAIN]

Originally posted by Akemua:

Originally posted by DELAMAIN:

Why you think she killed giants and not fingers?
Melina did this with destined Death as all giants have death roots.
Simple order from damaged Methyr.

What i meant that dlc shows that Marika s character was not evil.
Esp wheb you reach her home

And the base game shows Ranni not evil, which is the point of your thread. What's your point in all this?

You justify Marika's genocides, but state Ranni is evil because she didn't want the outer wills controlling everything?

Make it make sense.

Ranni just a child who said i dont want to do it bec i dont want to.
She was bit even told she is next one after marika, just a candidate.
So many death, war etc bec ranni was selfish
Now she is leaving with ER bec she likes to leaving all ppl to scqrlet rot, death and dunkeater etc...
Golder Order was keeping many bad things under order