Bandit class with support spells and items

[HixBozo]

I am bored by the pure Quality build and abandoned at level 110. I never used spells or items and feel like missing the fun.

I am looking now into the bandit class with the idea to make him Arcane build but with access to support spells from both schools (but not pure offensive caster) and use of alchemy bombs and perfumery, to spice things up.

How will such a build end up ? Is it viable ? The complete opposite of pure melee build.

Alternatively I might consider a spellsword. Or maybe confessor ? But these 2 classes will miss on the support spells of the opposite school.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by HixBozo:

No PVP considerations. That's what larval tears are for. This is just PVE

if this is just pve why would you restrict your level cap?

[vamirez]

My current char is a "barbarian" dude who uses big weapons, but also bow/arrows, crafting and some low-faith incantations. I'm very happy with him. Current weapons include a zweihander with flame of the Redmanes, sometimes switched out to sacred blade, and the Ghiza's wheel. For ranged attacks I have Radahn's greatbow, or switch to the jar cannon for fun. Earlier on I used different arrows on a simple shortbow which was also very useful. Using bows/crafting/some spells is totally viable. I use the +dmg talisman for bows, or when I feel like it the +dmg for jump attacks (+feather cape for even more), arsenal charm, str bonus talisman (or situational).

[HixBozo]

I won't be seeking power. Okay to be weaker, has its charm in trying to overcome the odds. We see if this approach cancels the general drag I felt during the first crusade

[Seven ate you]

Arcane and int/faith hardly have any synergy worth anything.

Int/Faith is only good combined when made into a pure spell caster, with maybe an exception if you have lower faith for buffs and you rely heavily on int.

For items though, I'd say a quality build actually makes the best use of items, since a lot of items scale with Str/Dex.

I not sure what you really plan on using the spells for though so I can't comment too much further.

Are you trying to use the spells to kill or just buff?

[Grottowalker]

Originally posted by Seven ate you:

Arcane and int/faith hardly have any synergy worth anything.

Int/Faith is only good combined when made into a pure spell caster, with maybe an exception if you have lower faith for buffs and you rely heavily on int.

For items though, I'd say a quality build actually makes the best use of items, since a lot of items scale with Str/Dex.

I not sure what you really plan on using the spells for though so I can't comment too much further.

Are you trying to use the spells to kill or just buff?

Arc can be used like a luck build in Ds3
works better then a ds3 luck build.

you can get spells and weapons to scale of arc. pretty much you can use anything.

[Seven ate you]

Just realized it says support in the title.
I can recommend what I'm doing actually.
Although I wouldn't exactly recommend going heavy arcane, but you can still do it none the less. It's just the end result will be melee.

For my build, at least until it becomes over leveled, you mostly just level vig and str and take advantage of the fact that build has a lot of free points. Since two handing str gives you more str.

Despite this being mostly just vig/str, there are Str bows and utilities out there and all the small utilities together make you able to actually have a lot of utility

Going over every stat

Vig you level to 40-60 because it's an important stat

Mind Unless you're becoming reliant on buffs or ashes of war, don't level this up.

End you level when you want more survaviability

Str Level this up only after you have a decently upgraded weapon, other than that, minimum requirements for weapon

Dex Level this up for minimum requirements for weapons or when over leveled

Int I personally don't level this up because I don't think any utilities here are worth the investment

Faith early game, level this up to 12 so you can have one of every early game buff, the protections to elements and healing. Then level this up to 25 for sacred order, you can then level it up all the way to 38 for buffs.

Arcane level this up to get the minimum requirements for the poison bow

That's really my entire build if you wanna copy it.
If you want to use procs to be extra utility man, get the pulley bow and have proc bolts.

[AmenaDoggo]

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[DragonSoundxSG]

Arcane is not a primary caster stat, you'll need Faith with it. Int/Arc isn't really a thing at this pt, unfortunately.

[Majere]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

Arcane is not a primary caster stat, you'll need Faith with it. Int/Arc isn't really a thing at this pt, unfortunately.

15 Faith gets you all the base Dragon Incantations (the higher-tier ones require 23 but they're not really very good) and all the Bestial Incantations. Unless you want the Crucible ones (27) that's really all you need, then you can pump Arcane and level your melee damage, bleed and casting all at once. Killed Mohg in less than a minute with my Arcane claw-caster this evening.

[Grottowalker]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

Arcane is not a primary caster stat, you'll need Faith with it. Int/Arc isn't really a thing at this pt, unfortunately.

while there are not much int-arc spells you can still make Arc the main stat for scaling


dragon seal- for incantions - gets B for faith and S for Arc

alburnaric Staff , for sorc- gets B for int and S for Arc

when you max the potential of all stats, both of these end up being one of the best for casting (not the top slot, but not far off)

you can use these two items and only put the min amount of int or faith required to use the spells you want to use.

you can easily put arc to 40-60 and have it as your main scaling stat. where you just have the min investment to use whatever spells and weapons you want...


an Arc build can easily be a dex build with focus on status and spells.

you don't need to pump all your stats, easily just focus on arc and one other stat, but you can put more in other stats if you want to be a jack of all trades.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

If I'm not mistaken, the buff incatations, even if used with Dragon Seal, still uses Faith to increase the effectiveness of the buff, so I'm not sure an Arcane build is the right way to go if you want to rely on support spells.

If you want use offensive spells though, you have the Dragon and the Blood incantations and any other that your Faith allows you to use.

You can also just ignore the spells and incantations entirely and use Arcane just for the weapons. There are plenty that are quite fun to use.

- Regalia of Eochaid. This one has a rather weird weapon art, but it can pretty useful if you use the Rotten Winged Swort Insignia Talisman. Deals magical damage.

- Marais Executioner's Sword. Basically a greatsword version of the previous weapon.

- Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear is probably considered a noob weapon by some people here, but it's a viable choice if you want to have Arcane as your main attribute.

Also, any weapon that deals some sort of status like sleep, poison, rot, bleed, madness... whatever, is a viable choice to an Arcane build because the attribute makes you proc all status faster, not only Bleed.

Since you mentioned bombs and other things, well, arcane also increases the proc chance of consumables, so feel free to use any deals some sort status ailment as well. Only arrows and bolts aren't affected by Arcane though for some reason.

If you want a buff that doesn't need any attribute requirements, just pick the Golden Vow WA and equip on a dagger or something. That way you can always have a free buff regardless of your build.

[Grottowalker]

Originally posted by jay jay the dank planezinho:

If I'm not mistaken, the buff incatations, even if used with Dragon Seal, still uses Faith to increase the effectiveness of the buff, so I'm not sure an Arcane build is the right way to go if you want to rely on support spells.

If you want use offensive spells though, you have the Dragon and the Blood incantations and any other that your Faith allows you to use.

You can also just ignore the spells and incantations entirely and use Arcane just for the weapons. There are plenty that are quite fun to use.

- Regalia of Eochaid. This one has a rather weird weapon art, but it can pretty useful if you use the Rotten Winged Swort Insignia Talisman. Deals magical damage.

- Marais Executioner's Sword. Basically a greatsword version of the previous weapon.

- Mohgwyn's Sacred Spear is probably considered a noob weapon by some people here, but it's a viable choice if you want to have Arcane as your main attribute.

Also, any weapon that deals some sort of status like sleep, poison, rot, bleed, madness... whatever, is a viable choice to an Arcane build because the attribute makes you proc all status faster, not only Bleed.

Since you mentioned bombs and other things, well, arcane also increases the proc chance of consumables, so feel free to use any deals some sort status ailment as well. Only arrows and bolts aren't affected by Arcane though for some reason.

If you want a buff that doesn't need any attribute requirements, just pick the Golden Vow WA and equip on a dagger or something. That way you can always have a free buff regardless of your build.

Well said.

[HixBozo]

Originally posted by jay jay the dank planezinho:

Since you mentioned bombs and other things, well, arcane also increases the proc chance of consumables

Flat rate + 1 per point. Very mediocre. Never found in this game a medallion that increases drop rate like there used to be in previous games. Yeah I know about the chicken feet but requires farming not cool

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Originally posted by HixBozo:

Originally posted by jay jay the dank planezinho:

Since you mentioned bombs and other things, well, arcane also increases the proc chance of consumables

Flat rate + 1 per point. Very mediocre. Never found in this game a medallion that increases drop rate like there used to be in previous games. Yeah I know about the chicken feet but requires farming not cool

Huh, wut? What I said had nothing to do with farming lmao. What I meant was is that Arcane improves the proc chance of inflicting status ailments from consumables like bombs and knives. Like, if you have high Arcane you need to throw less kurkris to inflict bleed per example.

[HixBozo]

Originally posted by jay jay the dank planezinho:

Originally posted by HixBozo:

Flat rate + 1 per point. Very mediocre. Never found in this game a medallion that increases drop rate like there used to be in previous games. Yeah I know about the chicken feet but requires farming not cool

Huh, wut? What I said had nothing to do with farming lmao. What I meant was is that Arcane improves the proc chance of inflicting status ailments from consumables like bombs and knives. Like, if your Arcane is high you need to throw less kurkris to inflict bleed per example,

Nevermind