Wait why is Tarnished considered a hero exactly?

[Nemerlight]

You invade castles, kill everyone and take their stuff. What part of that is heroic to you? What you bring freedom to these lands? Freedom from what?

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by Alpharius:

I would say we (The tarnished) are a walking talking calamity. Very few npcs whom we interact with have good fates that follow their questline. Not to mention half of the folks we kill were probably just sitting around vibing until some discount doom slayer turns up and shreds their very souls. Or heck, the endings overall ain't all that moral either, absolutely none that I can think of.

If you ignore the atrocity that had to be committed to get there, Ranni's Age of Stars is a moral ending, since it's all about removing ALL the gods. No more Scarlet Rot, Frenzied Flame, Two Fingers, Three Fingers, Greater Will, Demigods, Voidspawn, etc. All of that hauled off into deep space and imprisoned there by Ranni forever, giving people the chance to choose their own fate without some god wrecking them for giggles.

But getting there...oh boy, that's a nasty piece of work.

[Eastersimulator]

Originally posted by Aerieanei:

Every NPC we met in Shadow of the Erdtree dies because of us.

haha no. People don't die when you kill them in this game. It's like killing a tarnished for house Vulcan. They will reanimate by the next sign of grace and go on with their life. Right?
...r-right?

[Kim]

Originally posted by Mecharion:

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Freedom from living

Thats (accidently?) the correct answer. The lands between got stuck in a never ending loop because of the shattering.

Nothing can really die. Nothing changes. The world basically stood still - meaningless.

The tarnished become elden lord is kind of the reset button - to give the lands between a future.

(Not all endings thought)

The Great Will wants to restore what is currently in place; the Golden Order.

Marika, against all odds, is still the current god and ruler of Lands between.

The Great Will reverses the banishment Marika inflicted on Godfrey's people, in the hopes that one of them will be strong enough to become Elden Lord, Marika's consort, thus restoring the Golden Order.

During your journey to the Between Lands, you might stray from your goal and choose to serve another potential god. You will also end up becoming consort, if not Marika's, someone else's.

It is unknown what original sin Marika committed to be punished by the Great Will, could be the sealing of destined death, the shattering of the Elden Ring or something else.

[SoundsOfNight]

The game is nothing more than killing stuff.

[Forest]

Well compared to the demi-gods yeah we are the "hero's".

[Dr.Acula]

Originally posted by Coin:

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

That doesn't answer or counter anything of what I wrote.

I mean you see the grace reaching for every tarnished in the opening cinematic, giving them life and purpose.

A lot of creatures have some gold in their eyes, which would indicate that they either have grace or have partaken in dragon communion. But yeah obviously most creatures in the Lands Between would have grace, else they'd be cast out like the tarnished were.

That still doesn't tell me anything. You're using terminology from the game that is already nonsensical within the game.

It's made up blabla to explain other blabla and results in a whole lot of nothing...

It's somewhat similar to technobabble in Star Trek where re-callibrating some sensor array will reverse the polarity of the shields to let a proton particle beam bounce of the core of a sun...

[Mecharion]

Originally posted by Aerieanei:

Originally posted by Mecharion:

Thats (accidently?) the correct answer. The lands between got stuck in a never ending loop because of the shattering.

Nothing can really die. Nothing changes. The world basically stood still - meaningless.

The tarnished become elden lord is kind of the reset button - to give the lands between a future.

(Not all endings thought)

What's outside the Sea of Fog and how does the World feel about the Lands Between?

Maybe we will know in Elden Ring 2 traveler :)

[Coin]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by Coin:

I mean you see the grace reaching for every tarnished in the opening cinematic, giving them life and purpose.

A lot of creatures have some gold in their eyes, which would indicate that they either have grace or have partaken in dragon communion. But yeah obviously most creatures in the Lands Between would have grace, else they'd be cast out like the tarnished were.

That still doesn't tell me anything. You're using terminology from the game that is already nonsensical within the game.

It's made up blabla to explain other blabla and results in a whole lot of nothing...

It's somewhat similar to technobabble in Star Trek where re-callibrating some sensor array will reverse the polarity of the shields to let a proton particle beam bounce of the core of a sun...

Dfq are you talking about. Opening cinematic shows people being given grace and resurrected as a result is not a term heavy sentence. Neither is dragon communion, it's in the name. Cast out like the tarnished is super obvious in context.

Are you just doing a little bit of trolling or what?

[vamirez]

Originally posted by Coin:

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

That still doesn't tell me anything. You're using terminology from the game that is already nonsensical within the game.

It's made up blabla to explain other blabla and results in a whole lot of nothing...

It's somewhat similar to technobabble in Star Trek where re-callibrating some sensor array will reverse the polarity of the shields to let a proton particle beam bounce of the core of a sun...

Dfq are you talking about. Opening cinematic shows people being given grace and resurrected as a result is not a term heavy sentence. Neither is dragon communion, it's in the name. Cast out like the tarnished is super obvious in context.

Are you just doing a little bit of trolling or what? :squirtyay:

You might be on to something here ^^

[Dr.Acula]

Originally posted by Coin:

Dfq are you talking about. Opening cinematic shows people being given grace and resurrected as a result is not a term heavy sentence. Neither is dragon communion, it's in the name. Cast out like the tarnished is super obvious in context.

Are you just doing a little bit of trolling or what? :squirtyay:

The opening cinematic of Elden Ring is a whole lot of babble without any context.

"Arise ye tarnished" can mean anything. Was Gideon dead and resurected? Within the game it doesn't appear that way as he (based through dialogue) had been taking care of Nephali Loux for a long time. Gold Mask? There no context to or proper information about anything that dude does.

Interactions with Fia in the game also do not relate to anything said in the opening cut scene of the game.

Everything within the opening cut scene is just cryptic for the sake of being cryptic and it doesn't even set my own character up in any meaningful way. I'm just a "tarnished of no renown". There's no actual goal to anything I'm doing. The only thing driving me is "kill boss and get weapon"

You might think I'm trolling but I'm 100% serious about this. The writing in Elden Ring is atrociously bad. Oh and when I discussed this with friends I even got laughed at for even caring about the story in the first place. "You don't play Elden Ring for the story. It's about killing bosses" That is literally the response I get...

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by Coin:

Dfq are you talking about. Opening cinematic shows people being given grace and resurrected as a result is not a term heavy sentence. Neither is dragon communion, it's in the name. Cast out like the tarnished is super obvious in context.

Are you just doing a little bit of trolling or what? :squirtyay:

The opening cinematic of Elden Ring is a whole lot of babble without any context.

"Arise ye tarnished" can mean anything. Was Gideon dead and resurected? Within the game it doesn't appear that way as he (based through dialogue) had been taking care of Nephali Loux for a long time. Gold Mask? There no context to or proper information about anything that dude does.

Interactions with Fia in the game also do not relate to anything said in the opening cut scene of the game.

Everything within the opening cut scene is just cryptic for the sake of being cryptic and it doesn't even set my own character up in any meaningful way. I'm just a "tarnished of no renown". There's no actual goal to anything I'm doing. The only thing driving me is "kill boss and get weapon"

You might think I'm trolling but I'm 100% serious about this. The writing in Elden Ring is atrociously bad. Oh and when I discussed this with friends I even got laughed at for even caring about the story in the first place. "You don't play Elden Ring for the story. It's about killing bosses" That is literally the response I get...

The writing in elden ring is in item descriptions, monuments, things Melina tells you about from the past.

It's not spoonfed to you.

Just like it doesn't outright tell you in the beginning that the tarnished are all either former soldiers of Godfrey, or their decendents, stripped of the 'grace' that made them so powerful in the war to conquer the Lands Between and set up the golden order.

[vamirez]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by Coin:

Dfq are you talking about. Opening cinematic shows people being given grace and resurrected as a result is not a term heavy sentence. Neither is dragon communion, it's in the name. Cast out like the tarnished is super obvious in context.

Are you just doing a little bit of trolling or what? :squirtyay:

The opening cinematic of Elden Ring is a whole lot of babble without any context.

"Arise ye tarnished" can mean anything. Was Gideon dead and resurected? Within the game it doesn't appear that way as he (based through dialogue) had been taking care of Nephali Loux for a long time. Gold Mask? There no context to or proper information about anything that dude does.

Interactions with Fia in the game also do not relate to anything said in the opening cut scene of the game.

Everything within the opening cut scene is just cryptic for the sake of being cryptic and it doesn't even set my own character up in any meaningful way. I'm just a "tarnished of no renown". There's no actual goal to anything I'm doing. The only thing driving me is "kill boss and get weapon"

You might think I'm trolling but I'm 100% serious about this. The writing in Elden Ring is atrociously bad. Oh and when I discussed this with friends I even got laughed at for even caring about the story in the first place. "You don't play Elden Ring for the story. It's about killing bosses" That is literally the response I get...

Viel Meinung, aber wenig Ahnung, Dr. Acula? ^^

[Dr.Acula]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

The writing in elden ring is in item descriptions, monuments, things Melina tells you about from the past.

It's not spoonfed to you.

Just like it doesn't outright tell you in the beginning that the tarnished are all either former soldiers of Godfrey, or their decendents, stripped of the 'grace' that made them so powerful in the war to conquer the Lands Between and set up the golden order.

Oh look - it's another fanboy trying to justify atrocious writing. How about people like you come up with new arguments? I've seen the ones you parroting before and they haven't been convincing or impressive before and aren't now.

And the typical "you're just to dumb to get it if it's not spoon fed" attempt to talk down to people doesn't make you appear smart or sensible. It just makes you come across as someone pitiful.

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by Dr.Acula:

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

The writing in elden ring is in item descriptions, monuments, things Melina tells you about from the past.

It's not spoonfed to you.

Just like it doesn't outright tell you in the beginning that the tarnished are all either former soldiers of Godfrey, or their decendents, stripped of the 'grace' that made them so powerful in the war to conquer the Lands Between and set up the golden order.

Oh look - it's another fanboy trying to justify atrocious writing. How about people like you come up with new arguments? I've seen yours before and they haven't been convincing or impressive before and aren't now.

And the typical "you're just to dumb to get it if it's not spoon fed" attempt to talk down to people doesn't make you appear smart or sensible. It just makes you come across as someone pitiful.

Ah, so your argument is 'wah, wah, I don't wanna read.' Got it.

You want to complain and sit on your high horse, and that's all. Fine.

Shut up.

[[BMS] redmotion]

When it comes to power, and that is what Souls games are all about, good and bad is merely a position taken from personal perspective. In Elden Ring, you can choose sides amongst the different "factions" who are in power struggle which determines different endings. Other games provide more literal moral choices. This is just a fighting RPG game that's immensely fun and can cater for players of all abilities.