Are perfume bottles meant to be bad?

[[R0AT] oru]

seriously, i can barely get good damage out of these even with the perfumer talisman, and the recent patch double nerfed them for having multi-hit scenarios, meanwhile inpenetrable thorns is untouched??

[WOKEGOD]

Impenetrable thorns has very slow casting time and small hitbox. Its just that boss AI don't know to dodge it.

[OgichiGame]

Probably. Consumables have never been too great in any of the games, whether it's intentional or not.

[patrol]

Instead of balancing them, they just nerfed them into the ground instead. The only real thing they had going for them was rolling spark. Now they're good only for giant bosses and only those that won't move too much.

[Fineous🔥]

Dont let the NG0 videos of people murdering the last boss of the game with 4 casts fool you .With more HP the bosses will get up after the poise break and delete your face from the game while starting to dance around the room to never again get hit by the spell.

Aberrant sorceries are terrible and force you to wear Alberich set (awful armor) in order to do something.

Now the perfume bottles. They are still amazing to have a 0 mana elemental damage source to kill certain pesky monsters and have some versatility against bosses, every "swing" of the light melee attacks cost little stamina and the heavy attacks are basically a spammable AOE of wichever element you pick. Rolling sparks really needed some adjustements but still is a fully spammable multi hit chain of explosions like Rykard rancor for little mana and extremly buffable with the perfumer talisman as you OP said, shard of Alexander, fire crystaline tear and flame grant me strength....they still rock!.

[[R0AT] oru]

Originally posted by Mr. Rogers:

Probably. Consumables have never been too great in any of the games, whether it's intentional or not.

Referring to the weapon, not the consumable crafted type of perfume bottle. Talisman works on both of them.

Originally posted by WOKEGOD:

Impenetrable thorns has very slow casting time and small hitbox. Its just that boss AI don't know to dodge it.

Still deals about 7k damage when up close, there are several clips of it just obliterating bosses, and then adding bleed buildup. all AI doesnt know how to dodge it, only players do.

[Despiser]

Just the cheap stuff: Brut, Musk and a few more.

[[R0AT] oru]

Originally posted by Fineous🔥:

Dont let the NG0 videos of people murdering the last boss of the game with 4 casts fool you .

You said it yourself lol, it kills the final boss of the game in 4 casts. Nothing really saves you at like NG+7 so it may not be the best idea to balance NG0 off of it.

[Fineous🔥]

Originally posted by oru:

Originally posted by Fineous🔥:

Dont let the NG0 videos of people murdering the last boss of the game with 4 casts fool you .

You said it yourself lol, it kills the final boss of the game in 4 casts. Nothing really saves you at like NG+7 so it may not be the best idea to balance NG0 off of it.

Everyone went nuts after the first video of a dude killing the last boss with it. Not just was a NG-0 and the dude was fully buffed in every way possible, he used one of the few weakness the last boss have in both phases hence the ludicrous damage. So.....cringe aside after wiping 4 hours during the first days myself in order to get the last boss down and without a clue about his real weakness (used rot because he loves it in Caelid) to watch a dude deleting him with a single spell there is nothing wrong with the thorns.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by oru:

seriously, i can barely get good damage out of these even with the perfumer talisman, and the recent patch double nerfed them for having multi-hit scenarios, meanwhile inpenetrable thorns is untouched??

Haven't played around with perfumes much but people said smithscript weapons were bad and they are literally the best weapon class in the game even after a small AR nerf.

Tips for most builds not much is bad buffed 4 talismans deep, with optimal scaling stats, and 2 tear support.

Thats not even talking about external buffs you can stack.

[WereChicken]

I think their damage is balanced around the fact it's a free (in terms of mana), lightweight way to deal elemental damage and even inflict some status.

I really wish we could access the DLC a lot earlier as a lot of the gear in the DLC can be core to a build (perfume bottles for example)

[Faust Wither]

It meant to be a very light alternate weapon that deal pure elemental damage.

[Chibbix]

Yeah, I gotta agree with the people saying it's fine it got nerfed. It's like complaining about swift slash getting a nerf. You're genuinely in the minority if you want that back.

Kinda of stupid looking all running around the boss in circles and then just throwing shiner on your shoes that does over 10k damage to the boss in a single hit.

It will still work great on bosses that are large or stretched out, like EB, Tree spirits, Fire Giant, etc.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by oru:

seriously, i can barely get good damage out of these even with the perfumer talisman, and the recent patch double nerfed them for having multi-hit scenarios, meanwhile inpenetrable thorns is untouched??

Like have you tried perfume talisman, elemental talisman, axe talisman, plus winged talismans?

Then charged tear, elemental tear.

Then just bloodhound step around and hold r2?

If winged doesn't work replace with axe talisman.

[Chibbix]

Does anyone know if the smithing talisman works with these? You character does "throw" to attack with it...

Feels like it should, if it doesn't.

[Nauct]

Yeah they're just meant to be silly flashy things, like a party trick item