Any help or advice on Needle Knight Leda and Allies (4v1)

[Tedious]

After trying and failing without summons and with I'm pretty sure this is the worst fight in the game. I have Redmane Freyja spawn with an insane amount of health, if kill her before Hornsent comes in that's great but rare, after they're both dead (hopefully) Dryleaf Dane, Moore and Needle Knight Leda come in with ridiculous health and the damage to match.

I'm at a loss at what to do, I've tried soloing, spirit summons (not fully upgraded but I've never had to use them before), summoning NPCs, summoning players (they give the NPCs more health and often die before Leda comes in.

No clue what to do, any help appreciated.

inb4 gitgud

[Toast]

Great sword with savage lions claw. Dudes will crumble like a vanilla wafer

[Baphomeat]

I have to actually question what build you're running? I did it at lvl 170 with Rellanas Twin Swords (str/dex/int/fai = 35/35/35/35 <not optimal) and I had little difficulty... now I did use Summons AND my Mimic Tear which is max level but my Mimic tear is... comically... broken and 9/10 times I summon it they just stand there oblivious to the world...

WHAT exactly are you going at them with? Also NG+ at all?

[Tedious]

Originally posted by Baphomeat:

I have to actually question what build you're running? I did it at lvl 170 with Rellanas Twin Swords (str/dex/int/fai = 35/35/35/35 <not optimal) and I had little difficulty... now I did use Summons AND my Mimic Tear which is max level but my Mimic tear is... comically... broken and 9/10 times I summon it they just stand there oblivious to the world...

WHAT exactly are you going at them with? Also NG+ at all?

So I'm RL 125 (which I know is on the lower end but I haven't had any insane problems so far apart from not having enough equip load ever lol) strength/arc respected from using a bloody dismounter, venomous claws and dual nagakibas until I found the Ancient Meteoric Ore Greatsword. I have 2400 HP and am level 12 on the scadurtree blessing. Oh and I'm on regular NG.

[Tedious]

Originally posted by Toast:

Great sword with savage lions claw. Dudes will crumble like a vanilla wafer

Assuming that's a new ash of war? I'll have to check later if I picked it up.

[Toast]

Originally posted by Tedious:

Originally posted by Toast:

Great sword with savage lions claw. Dudes will crumble like a vanilla wafer

Assuming that's a new ash of war? I'll have to check later if I picked it up.

It’s in the first area. In a camp sight before the ghost dragon. It’s essentially two lions claws for the price of one. You can also aim the second one.

[Tedious]

Originally posted by Toast:

Originally posted by Tedious:

Assuming that's a new ash of war? I'll have to check later if I picked it up.

It’s in the first area. In a camp sight before the ghost dragon. It’s essentially two lions claws for the price of one. You can also aim the second one.

This did work in the end but my lord it was by the skin of my teeth, honestly can't justify the difficulty of the 4v1, just feels so cheap since I tried to do as many quest lines as possible but the way it panned out I had a fight so stacked against me I had to use cheese tactics or respec my build into one that's better for player characters specifically.