Why from think we like bosses than this radan?

[I'm Alpharius and this is a lie]

I wonder if they play their game? Why are the dark souls 3 boses so good and elden ring bosses (on the dlc particularly) so bad designedly, the gameplay feels moore like a stressfully experienced instead of something that have to be played calm and precise being a skilled character and learning from attack patrols give you the award thoose dlc bosses don’t give you, the last boss is the magnificient of this, why do they think this is the kind of experience we want it? I particularly don’t enjoy those bosses, i wonder what do you guys think about those new bosses on the dlc

[Corona Scurrae]

Nauct původně napsal:

Outback Santa původně napsal:

I beg to differ. stranger of paradise and jedi survivor are fantastic games. I finished both on the hardest difficulty but that difficulty slider helps others who are not confident to jump in and try the game, which is good for sales...

I agree that almost every game gets dumbed down for sales. Sad but true.
I like the way Elden Ring does it, with Spirit Ashes, summons, OP ashes of war, so everyone can tailor their difficulty while at the same time fighting the same bosses

well apparently it's not enoug haha. I mean you could use a moonveil and summons to whittle down the hp of any boss even the dlc but I guess people are not happy with that.

the same happened to lies of p. you could use tons of items and heavy weapons to overcome the challenges ahead but people still were unhappy. a difficulty slider or even better a dynamic difficulty system that adapts to players, would dispel some of that unhappiness.

[I'm Alpharius and this is a lie]

Outback Santa původně napsal:

Nauct původně napsal:

I agree that almost every game gets dumbed down for sales. Sad but true.
I like the way Elden Ring does it, with Spirit Ashes, summons, OP ashes of war, so everyone can tailor their difficulty while at the same time fighting the same bosses

well apparently it's not enoug haha. I mean you could use a moonveil and summons to whittle down the hp of any boss even the dlc but I guess people are not happy with that.

the same happened to lies of p. you could use tons of items and heavy weapons to overcome the challenges ahead but people still were unhappy. a difficulty slider or even better a dynamic difficulty system that adapts to players, would dispel some of that unhappiness.

I’ve not summon in the full run none even Malenia, but this one , i would say that it’s even harder with the 2 npc summons

[Mike]

I have no problem with Radahn outside of a literal un-dodgable combo (his triple slash), outside of that move he is not too bad and his 2nd phase is just annoying because of the stupid AOE (FS LOVES adding huge multi-hitting AOEs on bosses 2nd phases and I don't know why).

If FromSoft would actually give the players MORE UNIVERSAL tools to approach these bosses they can make the boss as crazy and as fast as they want, but when the player and boss is playing 2 different games then it makes the fights more annoying to learn/overcome.

A good description of Elden Ring to me is the bosses are characters from a Marvel Vs Capcom Fighting game (combos, air juggles, flashy attacks, fast paced...etc) and the player is playing OG street fighter 2 where we only have the most basic of tools (a single special with long recovery, a single defensive option,...etc) to deal with the onslaught.

Imo devs like Team Ninja has mastered making crazy fast bosses, while also giving the player the proper toolset to deal with the crazy fast attacks. Its also nice that most Team Ninja games have very little to NO INPUT DELAY, crisp player control/movement, and very responsive combat (something ER severely lacks).

At this point if FS will not evolve their combat systems, I would rather them go back to OG Souls or even better Kings Field/Shadow Tower where the entire experience is more punishing but at the same time more slower paced.

[Kyutaru]

Can we tone it down with the insistence on Radahn having impossible to avoid attacks? The internet's full of videos proving that sentiment wrong. If you aren't a souls god and can't no hit the fight, then feel free to use some cheese, some shields, or some summons. Or keep trying to beat it solo with one arm tied behind your back but please for the love of god don't complain about it if you choose to do it. It can be beaten, it can be dodged, you just aren't good enough to do it -- yet. Blaming the game is just projecting weakness. It gives you plenty of options to cope if you just set aside your pride.

[ZTL-Altima]

Black Kaiser en pelotas původně napsal:

I wonder if they play their game? Why are the dark souls 3 boses so good and elden ring bosses (on the dlc particularly) so bad designedly

To me it seems key people involved in DS2 designed ER. Similarities are too much. All sh*t boss designs and BS in DS2 are the same in ER.

[ZTL-Altima]

Mike původně napsal:

At this point if FS will not evolve their combat systems, I would rather them go back to OG Souls or even better Kings Field/Shadow Tower where the entire experience is more punishing but at the same time more slower paced.

ER added too much ugly and convoluted stuff. Combat is perfect in all other entries (DS2 does not count), which means the simpler the better. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this era is over. FS now is a giant company, they hired like crazy just in a year. They either keep selling huge numbers or go bankrupt. Expect more ER like big sellers. Only hope is that they keep a small team inside to experiment with smaller projects.

[Drax]

Outback Santa původně napsal:

Drax původně napsal:

Yeah keep that crap out of here Mr. Private Account.

because you are too immature to accept facts? rhetorical question. means you don't need to answer. you can but don't dispel my doubts that you are a ******** being

You talk a lot about maturity while A) Making a lot of immature comments over a video game. B) Not being happy you're not good at said videogame and other people are having an easier time.

Doesn't really scream maturity to me. I guess we just have different perceptions of the word.

[Mike]

Kyutaru původně napsal:

Can we tone it down with the insistence on Radahn having impossible to avoid attacks? The internet's full of videos proving that sentiment wrong. If you aren't a souls god and can't no hit the fight, then feel free to use some cheese, some shields, or some summons. Or keep trying to beat it solo with one arm tied behind your back but please for the love of god don't complain about it if you choose to do it. It can be beaten, it can be dodged, you just aren't good enough to do it -- yet. Blaming the game is just projecting weakness. It gives you plenty of options to cope if you just set aside your pride.

When you can't dodge the attack with light weight then the move is by definition (within the context of the game) un-dodgable. Every previous boss (even Melania) was able to be no hit WITHOUT certain talismans, weapon arts, spells, shields,. blood hound step,..etc, so it should be expected with every boss.

No one said there was not ways around the move, I simple said it was un-dodgable with the default light weight dodge, which is literally is insane given no other boss has issues like this.

His 3 horizontal slash move has no windows to dodge roll that 2nd hit, you cant position your self to avoid it because its reach is so far that he will never initiate it in those ranges, and no matter which way you roll (left, right, back, front, any combination) you will always get clipped by that 2nd swing.

This is bad design when its the only boss in the game with a move like this.

[Mike]

ZTL-Altima původně napsal:

Mike původně napsal:

At this point if FS will not evolve their combat systems, I would rather them go back to OG Souls or even better Kings Field/Shadow Tower where the entire experience is more punishing but at the same time more slower paced.

ER added too much ugly and convoluted stuff. Combat is perfect in all other entries (DS2 does not count), which means the simpler the better. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this era is over. FS now is a giant company, they hired like crazy just in a year. They either keep selling huge numbers or go bankrupt. Expect more ER like big sellers. Only hope is that they keep a small team inside to experiment with smaller projects.

I would disagree, I would argue that ER did not add ENOUGH different things from the past Souls games. The combat loop is literally IDENTICAL to demon souls (attack, dodge, dodge, attack rinse-repeat) and the only real new thing ER added outside of the open world was the new super aggressive boss fights.

However, as I mentioned before the bosses even in their current state would not be an issue if ER's controls were responsive, and if the player actually got some decent universal tools to better interact with these crazy new bosses.

Literally the ONLY difference between a boss fight in Demon Souls (the first souls game) and ER is the number of times you have to dodge roll before you can counter attack or punish. They tried to add some Sekiro in their with jumping over attacks, and things like that but the player responsiveness just does no match the crazy bosses lol.

I do agree through that I would like FS to make some smaller more tightly designed games like a reboot to Kings Field or Shadow Tower.

[Boon: Bong Rip]

He just stands testament to everything I don't like about ER's evolution's from the dark souls series.

Primarily that it's hit a point in difficulty that they just give the boss spam attacks that are nigh impossible to avoid without having to either decide you're using a shield for the entire run, lightrolling, or straight up finding cheese. I just watched a few of the no hit runs that exist and they take advantage of hyper specific builds and some knowledge (blocking to cancel some endlag from jumps) that most players would never reasonably know to dodge ♥♥♥♥ (the nuclear radahn bomb can be ran out of bu only if you perfectly cancel the jumps)

It's not a fun back and forth like most older boss fights are, it really just feels like you need to survive long enough to maybe deal enough damage, all while the AOE keeps popping off between mixups. I can do his first phase hitless without an issue by now but his second has so much the player is expected to keep up with. Practically feels like an FPS twitch shooter reaction time expectation by now

[Kyutaru]

Mike původně napsal:

His 3 horizontal slash move has no windows to dodge roll that 2nd hit, you can position your self to avoid it because its reach is so far that he will never initiate it in those ranges, and no matter which way you roll (left, right, back, front, any combination) you will always get clipped by that 2nd swing.

This is bad design when its the only boss in the game with a move like this.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you can plainly see him dodge the 2nd swing early in the fight. It's not that there are no windows, it's that you're dodgeroll spamming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FohsuvPB8M

[Mike]

Boon: Bong Rip původně napsal:

He just stands testament to everything I don't like about ER's evolution's from the dark souls series.

Primarily that it's hit a point in difficulty that they just give the boss spam attacks that are nigh impossible to avoid without having to either decide you're using a shield for the entire run, lightrolling, or straight up finding cheese. I just watched a few of the no hit runs that exist and they take advantage of hyper specific builds and some knowledge (blocking to cancel some endlag from jumps) that most players would never reasonably know to dodge ♥♥♥♥ (the nuclear radahn bomb can be ran out of bu only if you perfectly cancel the jumps)

It's not a fun back and forth like most older boss fights are, it really just feels like you need to survive long enough to maybe deal enough damage, all while the AOE keeps popping off between mixups. I can do his first phase hitless without an issue by now but his second has so much the player is expected to keep up with. Practically feels like an FPS twitch shooter reaction time expectation by now

I would say a better comparison is many of ER bosses have turned into literally bullet hell bosses, where there is so much on screen you literally have to replay the boss multiple times to even SEE when you are dodging lol.

I will also argue that ER has TERRIBLE AOE telegraphs and the hitboxes are random as ever (pretty much any ground based AOE). Like in the rahdan fight if you get hit by the grav pull move, he will do that huge AOE with the rock spikes. Well if you dodge the initial blast and literally just stand there there is a 50/50 chance you never get touched even though there are literal spike protruding through your body.

[Mike]

Kyutaru původně napsal:

Mike původně napsal:

His 3 horizontal slash move has no windows to dodge roll that 2nd hit, you can position your self to avoid it because its reach is so far that he will never initiate it in those ranges, and no matter which way you roll (left, right, back, front, any combination) you will always get clipped by that 2nd swing.

This is bad design when its the only boss in the game with a move like this.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you can plainly see him dodge the 2nd swing early in the fight. It's not that there are no windows, it's that you're dodgeroll spamming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FohsuvPB8M

Your WRONG he did a block counter to eat the first attack he did not dodge-roll or i-fram through it as I stated. I said there are no universal ways around the attack and you literallt have to pop on a shield, parry, block, use specific talismans, use specific weapon arts, to avoid this attack.

Also no one is "dodge roll spamming" as that would imply I am in-expereinced and I'm just mashing roll hoping to avoid it. I can literally no hit the first phase outside of this move and its not because to timing its because it has no real gaps to i-frame through it.

[Kyutaru]

Mike původně napsal:

Your WRONG he did a block counter to eat the first attack he did not dodge-roll or i-fram through it as I stated.

No, YOU are wrong. You said the 2nd hit couldn't be dodgerolled. He dodgerolled the 2nd hit. I don't care that he blocked the first one, that's the point being made here. The 2nd hit DOES have a window to dodge through it. YOU are dodgeroll spamming, trying to dodge both the 1st and the 2nd. This is not the only boss in the game with multi-hit attacks in a short timeframe that make dodgerolling suboptimal. Hell the Tree Sentinel in the very beginning of the game has a shield crush that also possesses a shockwave, making it possible to dodgeroll the 1st and get hit by the 2nd.

You said the 2nd hit has no window, I said it does and showed evidence. Deal with it.

Oh, and the optimal way to dodge these types of attacks that doesn't require any specific tools? It's called jumping.

[Krazy Wallet]

I loved Radahn. Much better than the base game Radahn