The DLC is bad

[WANGNUNOIT]

Before people call me something like "unskilled" or "noob" or simply tell me to get better at the game:

I played through every souls title, have beaten sekiro, am very high elo in LoL, CSGO/CS2, Valorant, and so on. So im very confident in calling myself a good enough gamer.

And despite being good in video games, this dlc is crushing me mentally.

This dlc is not fun to play.

First point: These furnace golem things are a pain in the ass. It takes 10 years to stagger and kill while if you do a SINGLE mistake you get oneshotted. Then theres one of these furnace golems that has probably the dumbest gimmick ive seen in all souls like games. Jumping high up and throwing pots into his head??? Im appreciating fromsoft for trying to get some unique gimmicks into a fight, but why do it on an enemy that we have seen already multiple times + make it so unbelievebly boring/time consuming?

But the furnace golems are only a small part of the problem because every single boss ive encountered so far is annoying to deal with.

Second point: I came so close to beating this lionhead monster without summons but then died to random AoE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This fight is just unfair in every aspect. He is aggressive, he has tons of AoE attacks, he is big so if u stay in him to attack him, sometimes u just dont see his attacks coming. Also when he does his AoE spin attack where he spins around clockwise and does this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ smoke ♥♥♥♥ you can simply just dodge to the right (counter-clockwise) so it doesnt hit you. But theres a problem!!! If he does this attack while u stay in him or next to him, he is so big that u cant even see where his mouth is so you cant possibly know when he is about to hit u with that attack. But thats not all haha! IF YOU STAY IN HIM HE IS SO BIG HE FORCIBLY MOVES U CLOCKWISE WITH HIM SO U CANT EVEN DODGE THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ATTACK. I died so many times because i played correctly but he randomy decided to do this smoke spin attack and I was close to him so he just moved my character with him clockwise so I literally cannot dodge it.

and dont get me started on rellana or whatever her name was. Infinite stamina, no room to heal or go into neutral position. Relentless attacks non stop. Fun fight. Great.

Third point: They have to tune down the scaling of thse enemies. I'm in NG+3 and Level 300 (I grinded some levels to be able to use every weapon I get from the dlc without having to change my stats with a larvar tear) but even with that high of a level, I get two shotted or even one shotted. Rellanas big magic sword AoE attack just one shots me XD? The furnace golem one shots me XD? If I get grabbed once i get one shotted XD? It's really not fun to play when you go into a bossfights just to die after a few seconds because u did ONE SMALL MISTAKE. Yes bro, my bad for trying to heal myself after i got touched once from an attack so now im half HP so im forced to heal because i cant withstand TWO attacks and the second i try to heal, the enemy runs at me and gapcloses from the other end of the map and keeps attacking me with no stop to it.

Fourth point: Ah and also the performence is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ for the most part. Its so disgusting-bad its worse than when elden ring first released (Im playing on PC).

So far the only good thing about this dlc are the aesthetics. It looks beautiful and the new weapons/equipment does too. (Also the dlc is very lenghty, but thats what i expected from a 40$ dlc for a game that has a basegame of 150+ hours)

For the people who disagree with me, please tell me what exactly you are doing to have any fun in the bossfights. Using summons is simply not fun, because then it gets too easy/cheesy because I just stay behind and throw magic at the boss while i'm not allowed to get any closer anyways due to every boss having 10000000 AoE attacks.

I think this is my first time ever complaining about difficulty in souls-games. After playing through almost every fromsoft title and even playing games like lies of p (really good soulslike game, highly recommend!) I never even ONCE complained about difficulty. But this dlc is cancer.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by WANGNUNOIT:

Before people call me something like "unskilled" or "noob" or simply tell me to get better at the game:

I played through every souls title, have beaten sekiro, am very high elo in LoL, CSGO/CS2, Valorant, and so on. So im very confident in calling myself a good enough gamer.

If you are good in tennis, does that mean you are good in chess or football?

[fun guy]

wah?

[BingusDingus]

Eh, personally I find the difficulty is fine, it's just that a lot of the enemies and bosses rely on BS to be difficult. Tons of AOE's, lots of hyperarmor, lots of spam, flying around the arena, terrible camera and so on. Though the final boss is just stupid, the actual mechanics of that fight aren't even hard, just next to impossible to keep up with what's going on with the disco lightshow he throws at you.
Miss the days of being able to even see what i'm fighting, if only i had the vision i had 15 years ago.

[Kim]

player , if you call the git guders that loudly , they will come !

[LuckyCheshire]

You have to be able to adjust your build on the fly to counter enemies, which hasn't been expected in the base game really save for the final boss perhaps.

1. Crank fire res and you'll be good. All of the golems can be killed with fire pots (Hefty Furnace Pots being the most effective variant) from above, not just one. I think a couple of them don't have vantage points however, so for those I just used Spinning Strikes and a ton of multi-hit buffs. They go down pretty easily that way.

2. The problem you're describing seems to be more with the camera than with the boss itself (Rellana aside for now). The camera is certainly a huge issue, but it has been for every single preceding game as well, it's not a new issue.

3. Get Scadutree Blessings. You have to actually explore first to be able to survive. The blessings do roll over to NG+ too though. So if you had played the DLC on NG or +1, you would probably be doing fine, but going in with none or few of those advantages without exploring everywhere to make up the difference is much like doing a RL1 run. I bet you could even do decently with low Scadutree Blessings on NG, but NG+3 is asking a bit much.

4. Personally I didn't have many problems. It seems like a lot of people do though, and there are certainly a few things that need rebalancing and patching. That's fair.

If using summons feels too cheesy to you, try out some of the weaker, more support-oriented, or otherwise niche ashes. Wolves, fingercreepers, soldiers, heck even use the ol' landsquirts.

[Hex: Boon]

Originally posted by WANGNUNOIT:

Before people call me something like "unskilled" or "noob" or simply tell me to get better at the game:

I played through every souls title, have beaten sekiro, am very high elo in LoL, CSGO/CS2, Valorant, and so on. So im very confident in calling myself a good enough gamer.

And despite being good in video games, this dlc is crushing me mentally.

This dlc is not fun to play.

First point: These furnace golem things are a pain in the ass. It takes 10 years to stagger and kill while if you do a SINGLE mistake you get oneshotted. Then theres one of these furnace golems that has probably the dumbest gimmick ive seen in all souls like games. Jumping high up and throwing pots into his head??? Im appreciating fromsoft for trying to get some unique gimmicks into a fight, but why do it on an enemy that we have seen already multiple times + make it so unbelievebly boring/time consuming?

But the furnace golems are only a small part of the problem because every single boss ive encountered so far is annoying to deal with.

Second point: I came so close to beating this lionhead monster without summons but then died to random AoE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. This fight is just unfair in every aspect. He is aggressive, he has tons of AoE attacks, he is big so if u stay in him to attack him, sometimes u just dont see his attacks coming. Also when he does his AoE spin attack where he spins around clockwise and does this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ smoke ♥♥♥♥ you can simply just dodge to the right (counter-clockwise) so it doesnt hit you. But theres a problem!!! If he does this attack while u stay in him or next to him, he is so big that u cant even see where his mouth is so you cant possibly know when he is about to hit u with that attack. But thats not all haha! IF YOU STAY IN HIM HE IS SO BIG HE FORCIBLY MOVES U CLOCKWISE WITH HIM SO U CANT EVEN DODGE THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ATTACK. I died so many times because i played correctly but he randomy decided to do this smoke spin attack and I was close to him so he just moved my character with him clockwise so I literally cannot dodge it.

and dont get me started on rellana or whatever her name was. Infinite stamina, no room to heal or go into neutral position. Relentless attacks non stop. Fun fight. Great.

Third point: They have to tune down the scaling of thse enemies. I'm in NG+3 and Level 300 (I grinded some levels to be able to use every weapon I get from the dlc without having to change my stats with a larvar tear) but even with that high of a level, I get two shotted or even one shotted. Rellanas big magic sword AoE attack just one shots me XD? The furnace golem one shots me XD? If I get grabbed once i get one shotted XD? It's really not fun to play when you go into a bossfights just to die after a few seconds because u did ONE SMALL MISTAKE. Yes bro, my bad for trying to heal myself after i got touched once from an attack so now im half HP so im forced to heal because i cant withstand TWO attacks and the second i try to heal, the enemy runs at me and gapcloses from the other end of the map and keeps attacking me with no stop to it.

Fourth point: Ah and also the performence is utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ for the most part. Its so disgusting-bad its worse than when elden ring first released (Im playing on PC).

So far the only good thing about this dlc are the aesthetics. It looks beautiful and the new weapons/equipment does too. (Also the dlc is very lenghty, but thats what i expected from a 40$ dlc for a game that has a basegame of 150+ hours)

For the people who disagree with me, please tell me what exactly you are doing to have any fun in the bossfights. Using summons is simply not fun, because then it gets too easy/cheesy because I just stay behind and throw magic at the boss while i'm not allowed to get any closer anyways due to every boss having 10000000 AoE attacks.

I think this is my first time ever complaining about difficulty in souls-games. After playing through almost every fromsoft title and even playing games like lies of p (really good soulslike game, highly recommend!) I never even ONCE complained about difficulty. But this dlc is cancer.

There really is no non-toxic way to say this but everything you listed except the last was because YOU aren't good enough not because the DLC is bad.

The DLC is not easy but its not too hard, its not too hard for me and not too hard for millions of others, its not too hard for the people it was made for.

[Nauct]

If you're high ELO in a competitive game you know the work it takes to get good.

How can you go from that to expecting to be good right away at this game? Makes me think you're not good

[MOD127_]

u wanna know whats cancer, gankers sitting in limgrave with the duel blade dash bleed attacks farming people

[SenseiDecay]

Originally posted by WANGNUNOIT:

Before people call me something like "unskilled" or "noob" or simply tell me to get better at the game:

Second point: I came so close to beating this lionhead monster without summons but then died to random AoE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

So you're handicapping yourself willingly by not using the tools available to you then complaining about difficulty?

[foodfairy]

Originally posted by Nauct:

If you're high ELO in a competitive game you know the work it takes to get good.

How can you go from that to expecting to be good right away at this game? Makes me think you're not good

exactly

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by WANGNUNOIT:

First point: These furnace golem things are a pain in the ass. It takes 10 years to stagger and kill while if you do a SINGLE mistake you get oneshotted. Then theres one of these furnace golems that has probably the dumbest gimmick ive seen in all souls like games. Jumping high up and throwing pots into his head??? Im appreciating fromsoft for trying to get some unique gimmicks into a fight, but why do it on an enemy that we have seen already multiple times + make it so unbelievebly boring/time consuming?

If you throw a large firepot in their basket, they just die...

[Garma Cyro]

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire:

3. Get Scadutree Blessings. You have to actually explore first to be able to survive. The blessings do roll over to NG+ too though. So if you had played the DLC on NG or +1, you would probably be doing fine, but going in with none or few of those advantages without exploring everywhere to make up the difference is much like doing a RL1 run. I bet you could even do decently with low Scadutree Blessings on NG, but NG+3 is asking a bit much.

I double agree on this one.
The new bosses (and mini-bosses) are built with Scadutree blessings in mind.
For me this has resulted in the first intial bosses being brutal, while later bosses became more like what I'm used to. Primary because I got to my personal sweet spot on blessings.

Their scaling is also based on you already being able to take down Mogh. A boss that's hard enough that FromSoftware hid a flask fragment that negates his worse attack.

Lastly. Yes, we do need to pay more attention to their attacks now. When to run, when to roll, when to jump, etc. There's only 3 fights in the base game I felt this. Rahdan's mid-fight special, Mogh's mid-fight special, and Malenia's list of "mess you up" attacks.

[Lukas]

The enjoyment for me mainly comes from learning the rhythm of boss fights. Sure there's some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ elements to Divine Beast and Rellana (especially the final boss), but once you break down the pattern and timing its really not as bad as you're making it out to be. Its also natural for From to raise the difficulty with every entry. Its almost night and day the difficulty creep for bosses from DS1 to DS3 and even more so from DS3 to Elden Ring. I'm honestly surprised you found Lies of P more enjoyable than this DLC cause that game embodies all the problems you just listed and even more with the double health bars, though I liked it a lot for how intense and difficult those boss fights are.

[zmanbuilder]

I figured out your issue when you said you were on ng+ 3. The issue is you are doing very hard content for the first time on ng+ 3.

[hemorrhage911]

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