About Radahn

[Arkt]

A boss that invalidates 90% of weapons, spells and builds is not a well designed fight. Especially in a game like Elden Ring that prides itself on exploration and having a huge build variety. If your only response to this is git gud or to simply switch to meta build X you are just proving that point. Can I smash my head into a wall for hours to get it eventually? Yes. But at the end of the day a video game should always prioritize one thing: Fun.

[toughnails]

Originally posted by Akku:

just killed dlc radahn, it took mee about 12 tries. the long combos kinda made me lil angry since at medium load its impossible to dodge everything and there just isnt time to counter. so i just buffed my hp to 2700 so i can take the hits. after i did that it was easy job :D

You can light roll at any equipment weight.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Winged+Crystal+Tear

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by echo_ML:

Originally posted by toughnails:

RL1, 0 blessings, no shields or statuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBOIYnVq54

Once again proving their point. You shouldn't need to change a build or setup to beat a boss. This isn't armored core. Radahn is objectively unfair unless you use a specific couple of counters.

Huh?

Look the average player isn't going to pull anything close to that off. So I don't think RL1 0 blessing necessarily proves anything about whether the boss is fair or not.

But at the same time, how the ♥♥♥♥ does that prove the OP's point? What is a generic thrusting sword with no bleed/frost the broken weapon in the game now or something?

I mean I suppose he probably had light dodge, but lets assume that 1-2 of the attacks there are impossible to consistently dodge with medium (he does have a couple of attacks that seem very hard to dodge). If you've got a bunch of armor and hp, as a normal player would, you can eat an occasional hit.

Its like malenia, most people probably never figured out how to fully dodge waterfowl, but at least in my case I didn't have to. I got it down to 2 hits consistently, and it ceased to be a problem (I kept getting killed by the one where she launches clones at you but that was just me being bad and not bothering to learn the pattern to dodge it, that attack is consistently dodgeable).

Don't get me wrong, attacks that require frame perfect or close to it dodges (which I think he has but I'm not looking into frame data myself or anything) are not a good design. But a guy no hitting the boss is not somehow proof of that.

[Chibbix]

Originally posted by Pixel:

Could probably kill him by kiting and throwing only knives (ninja throwables only build).

I actually lol'd at that. You've definitely not fought him, or are just screwing around. There is no "kiting him" 10/11 times he springs at you as soon as you step through the fog gate and will leave you with 3-12% health if you used a Mimic's tear.

He can close the gap way too easily.

https://www.youtube.com/live/mHhR8K2g3No?si=Kh1tx6JCVdZ5lWPA

I guess LMSH is just a talentless noob for using a shield and the best armor, weight for stat wise, in the game, right?

Originally posted by toughnails:

The strat shown in the video will work with literally any melee build, there are no special tricks, just dodging and spacing.

"Literally any melee build"
So as if Faith/Int builds aren't screwed enough by their own decisions and the spells the game provides, they have to use a mimic tear to respect if they started a caster class?

Wow, you're really proving OP wrong, dude. Very solid points.

Also, I've never seen him take those little "breaks" he does between 2:48-3:01. Hell, he's not even that passive in phase 1 when I fought him. LMSH probably would of wrapped his playthrough up way easier if Radahn was at .85 speed and taking those boof hits between combos, imo.

[echo_ML]

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

Originally posted by echo_ML:

Once again proving their point. You shouldn't need to change a build or setup to beat a boss. This isn't armored core. Radahn is objectively unfair unless you use a specific couple of counters.

Huh?

Look the average player isn't going to pull anything close to that off. So I don't think RL1 0 blessing necessarily proves anything about whether the boss is fair or not.

But at the same time, how the ♥♥♥♥ does that prove the OP's point? What is a generic thrusting sword with no bleed/frost the broken weapon in the game now or something?

I mean I suppose he probably had light dodge, but lets assume that 1-2 of the attacks there are impossible to consistently dodge with medium (he does have a couple of attacks that seem very hard to dodge). If you've got a bunch of armor and hp, as a normal player would, you can eat an occasional hit.

Its like malenia, most people probably never figured out how to fully dodge waterfowl, but at least in my case I didn't have to. I got it down to 2 hits consistently, and it ceased to be a problem (I kept getting killed by the one where she launches clones at you but that was just me being bad and not bothering to learn the pattern to dodge it, that attack is consistently dodgeable).

Don't get me wrong, attacks that require frame perfect or close to it dodges (which I think he has but I'm not looking into frame data myself or anything) are not a good design. But a guy no hitting the boss is not somehow proof of that.

Okay, fair enough, I didn't watch the full video. Thats my mistake, I'm wrong.

However, the majority of the playerbase isn't going to be nearly as good as Ongbal. And theres some attacks in Radahn's kit that are just straight up impossible to avoid if you don't use things like Shields, RoTM, Deflect Tear, etc. Even if you CAN do him hitless with a ton of practice, Radahn is still a badly designed boss.

[Renegat]

nahaha, "Fun" is somthing what every one can decide for them self, i have fun then invade over people, so FS should prioritize this by your logic, next time think abour realle meaning of words and not what you fould fun. And btw someone have fun playing 18+ game, should FS add that in ER?

[Arkt]

Originally posted by Renegat:

nahaha, "Fun" is somthing what every one can decide for them self, i have fun then invade over people, so FS should prioritize this by your logic, next time think abour realle meaning of words and not what you fould fun. And btw someone have fun playing 18+ game, should FS add that in ER?

How many drinks did you have before typing this?

[Moebius]

I'm cosplaying as Guts (I know I'm so original lol), with my big ass greatsword w/ 99 strength.

Am I not able to use that sword on the final boss?

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

Originally posted by Moebius:

I'm cosplaying as Guts (I know I'm so original lol), with my big ass greatsword w/ 99 strength.

Am I not able to use that sword on the final boss?

Use lion's claw. You can clear first phase 90pc of the time just dodging his first attack then pressing l2 and tanking his hits. It will very quickly stun him, critical hit, then jump attack. Should send you to phase 2 with full pots and only requiring a heal or 2.

2nd phase you do need to dodge, so before you cheese first phase that way, play around with him a dozens times and learn to dodge all his moves, because those are the exact moves he'll be using 2nd phase plus miquella shooting his white stuff everywhere.

Don't use the savage version BTW, base game lion's claw is still the best.

[Arkt]

Originally posted by Moebius:

I'm cosplaying as Guts (I know I'm so original lol), with my big ass greatsword w/ 99 strength.

Am I not able to use that sword on the final boss?

You CAN use anything in the game, but it might or might not make the fight alot harder for you.

[Symnoptik]

The only build that would really struggle against Radahn is all of them*. He's a difficult boss regardless of what you're using *except for the greatshield meta. You don't need to respec into it, I know I didn't. That meant I had to smack my head against him, learning his moveset and getting lucky against the RNG lightbeams.

I think his second phase needs to be fixed, so that his attacks are more readable through the light attacks and Miquella's hair. And that the light beams need to be more consistent on where they spawn during certain attacks. Besides that he's a hyper aggressive boss, if you can do Bayle you can do Radahn.

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

Originally posted by Symnoptik:

The only build that would really struggle against Radahn is all of them*. He's a difficult boss regardless of what you're using *except for the greatshield meta. You don't need to respec into it, I know I didn't. That meant I had to smack my head against him, learning his moveset and getting lucky against the RNG lightbeams.

I think his second phase needs to be fixed, so that his attacks are more readable through the light attacks and Miquella's hair. And that the light beams need to be more consistent on where they spawn during certain attacks. Besides that he's a hyper aggressive boss, if you can do Bayle you can do Radahn.

BAYLE is very methodical. Every time I got hit by bayle, I know I deserved it. All his attacks are telegraphed and there is little randomness. One of the most enjoyable fights.

Radahn phase 2 is random af, miquella just randomly spamming his white stuff all over the place, I felt it was very unfair, and hated the fight, despite winning it.

[Anime-Profile-Picture]

You say it invalidates weapons, and yet, you'll see a different build for every different "Best build for radahn" video. Seriously, there's a *huge* verity of approaches that will end up working.
For me I beat him upon changing to a different build, but I think it was actually placebo. I *believed* this build was now the one. Then I got better and better and didn't give up and I beat his ass. One of the greatest feelings of my entire life.

[Mighel]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Originally posted by Mighel:

I absolutely agree with OP. I have been playing all Souls games by release in this boss is by far the worst designed boss of all time. It is not even fun, it's just a chaos of eternal combos and random lights, undodgeable explosions... Beating him does not feel rewarding, out of 100 tries you're just praying to the RNG god.
Also, a condition for beating a boss shouldn't be build swapping.

RL1, 0 blessings, no shields or statuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBOIYnVq54

Man you didn't even read. I was talking about the design of the boss. What makes this boss difficult?
- Absurdly long combos
- More than a half of his attacks are delayed, meaning that if you don't time it perfectly you will get hit by the next one 100%
- Uncomprensible AoE

Don't get me wrong the boss is pretty cool, but for the average player it feels like an absolute chaos and RNG. Compare it with Malenia, that is an actual good design and enjoyable difficulty.

[Nauct]

Originally posted by Mighel:

Originally posted by toughnails:

RL1, 0 blessings, no shields or statuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBOIYnVq54

Man you didn't even read. I was talking about the design of the boss. What makes this boss difficult?
- Absurdly long combos
- More than a half of his attacks are delayed, meaning that if you don't time it perfectly you will get hit by the next one 100%
- Uncomprensible AoE

Don't get me wrong the boss is pretty cool, but for the average player it feels like an absolute chaos and RNG. Compare it with Malenia, that is an actual good design and enjoyable difficulty.

Malenia is way harder than Radahn. You can practice for a long time and still mess up dodging waterfowl close range. Radahn doesn't have anything that skill instensive

[BKo]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Originally posted by echo_ML:

Once again proving their point. You shouldn't need to change a build or setup to beat a boss. This isn't armored core. Radahn is objectively unfair unless you use a specific couple of counters.

The strat shown in the video will work with literally any melee build, there are no special tricks, just dodging and spacing.

Deflect tear is required for that run. Guess you didn't actually pay attention to the video.

There is a rolling only run, but it requires camera unlock exploits, only proving further that they don't give a ♥♥♥♥ anymore with their boss design, and also that soulskids will defend anything even after they probably just used a greatshield to bypass it. If one yahoo on the internet finds some unintended way to do it, then it's just another masterpiece design. Praise Miyazaki.