Dlc weapons are dissapointing and overall useless.

[Hian Gomes]

Apart from the flasks and the big katanas, 90% of everything is completely useless, the boss weapons are practically jokes to fill holes.

Frankly I just think that they created a big and beautiful world and forgot that they had to fill it with something, the themes of some bosses are good apart from the ones that fight are horribly poorly done (Radahn, Bayle) then you defeat them and discover that the bounty is a meme weapon, almost useless without bringing any interesting variation.

In terms of weapons, this dlc added little, it's disappointing.

No good greatsword, scythes, UGS, i ended the dlc with the weapons of the base game cause the dlc won't added anything trully good.

A lot of good ideas wasted, they lost the chance to make the frenzy boss weapons have frenzy build on hit.

[Daviodraan]

Hian Gomes původně napsal:

Shard of Manus původně napsal:

This is the most nonsense take I've seen from the DLC. It's filled with extremely good weapons.

- Milady.
- Rellana's Twin Blades
- Greatsword of Damnation
- Fire Knight's GS
- Ancient Meteoric GS
- Backhand Blade
- Flowerstone Gavel
- Bloodfiend's Arm
- Spear of the Impaler
- Perfume Bottles

The Dryleaf Art weapons are serviceable. Not great, but more than competent.

there are way more weapons than you listed, and a lot of boss weapons wich are horrible.

After around 12 hs of pvp with all of these, I'll clarify that, no, LGS, specially Rellana's Twin blades, aren't really good, at all. Poor tracking, with some attacks having literally 0 tracking (just going straight in front of where your character is facing, and can't be aimed), extreme stamina consumtion (rivaling or worse than some colossal/great weapons), some broken hitboxes (attacks missing point blank pve and pvp on no lat), and overall super high skill cap on top of that. Also, no single attack, heavy, or charged/jumping heavy, will poise break by itself. Even straight sword does that with heavies, yes, even after the poise dmg nerfs in light weapons.

that's both an issue in PvP, but less so, also in PvE.

All boss weapons are amazing, or at least very good. Some are best in class, but for the wrong reasons (leading to near 1 shots/thousands and thousands of dmg both pve and pvp, or having literally broken interactions)

Dryleaf arts needs some serious work, again, both PvP and PvE, but it's laughable that only 2 attacks can stagger at all, and 1 of them is the R2. Also, the 2nd Dryleaf art's R2 is so much slower than the first version, it's worhtless in pvp, and it also won't give you enough hyper armor even at 100+ poise.

Then, throwable weapons, except for the Hammer and The shield, have absolutely abysmal range, tracking, and dmg, for their throwable attacks, but for some reason, by far, best in class-level scaling for their base, close quarters, attacks, overall beating the purpose of the gimmick. Some of their AR values are absolutely insane.
With bad tracking and range, I'm talking about the fact you can throw one of these to an enemy standing completely still, and completely miss. And even if you land a fully charged hit, it does not a bit less than an r1, but usually half of the dmg, which might sound good for balancing, but again, an entire action of a moveset, meaning, the entire Heavy attack button, being tied to subpar damage, is not the way to go. Make it 70% base dmg, it would be fair, it leaves you wide open, and takes some time to charge if you actually want to deal decent dmg, leaving you again vulnerable for retaliation.

Oh but the hammer absolutely F***s, and the Smithscript shield throw literally true-combos into any r1, and some r2 in PvP or with easily staggered enemies, and has absolutely insane tracking (literally will target you in a 360°).

Dlc weapons and spells/incantations are either ABSOLUTELY MONSTROUS, or mid to bottom tier broken garbage for no reason other than them probably over nerfing stuff before release for fear of backlash, which would make sense if we didn't have 4 or 5 spells
and weapons that literally trivialize the end boss and optional encounters, way to evidently to ever be ignored if playtested even a second.

Edit: why Rellana's is inferior to the other LGS? well, the ash of war, while flashy, is slower to activate, and attack (stance+input), than more than half of the game's movesets, most heavy attacks, and deals absurdly low dmg even in dedicated builds. Just use moonveil. The other LGS actually can change ashes, or have good ashes to begin with, and better damage, and a better moveset ( why the hell give as a shortsword off-hand L1...)

[Dusty13B]

Senki původně napsal:

i just played with 2 bloodfiend forks and obliterated the final boss so idk about that

there are a lot of meh weapons as well but also a lot of great ones you clearly didn't try

fire knight's sword is an amazing UGS btw

Bloodfiend arm was my go to when I beat the final boss. 2 R2's and you chunk away his health with the 220 bleed damage.

[lemns00]

fire knight greatsword is amazing but imo it's insanely broken at the moment, you can do a true combo with just 2 R1 attacks and the damage is overpowered, it will probably get hit by a nerf soon. Messmer's spear is my favourite weapon in the entire DLC and one of the coolest weapons I've ever seen in a souls game. great katanas look nice and are versatile. martial arts are fun to use. the weapons are the only part they did almost perfectly, everything else was average

[Azyle]

backhand blades is what I used to beat 75% of the DLC. They are great.

[Wheee333ee33e3e]

There are good weapons, but no busted weapons. Base game had so many busted weapons. Blasphemous blade is the worst of them, 2 straight years of nerfs and its still the best by far. You still have things like moon veil, mohg spear, dark moon greatsword, bloodhound fang, etc. All those weapons are completely busted, breaks the bosses and makes them much easier. Just press L2 till the boss turns into a cloud and the win screen appears.

DLC weapons are fairer, and many are still good, but you can't press L2 to win, other than fighting dragons with the dragon weapons. I do appreciate to dlc weapons much more than base game, as base game had many busted, but few good weapons, like gugs, nagikiba/uchi.

[patrol]

Wheee333ee33e3e původně napsal:

There are good weapons, but no busted weapons. Base game had so many busted weapons. Blasphemous blade is the worst of them, 2 straight years of nerfs and its still the best by far. You still have things like moon veil, mohg spear, dark moon greatsword, bloodhound fang, etc. All those weapons are completely busted, breaks the bosses and makes them much easier. Just press L2 till the boss turns into a cloud and the win screen appears.

DLC weapons are fairer, and many are still good, but you can't press L2 to win, other than fighting dragons with the dragon weapons. I do appreciate to dlc weapons much more than base game, as base game had many busted, but few good weapons, like gugs, nagikiba/uchi.

Have you tried using the perfume bottles with rolling sparks ash when aiming directly at the ground ?

[Todd Howard]

Every weapon post bb has been a disappointment after disappointment

[Abysswalker]

The amount of terrible takes Ive seen since DLC release is insane. Popularity really is a blessing and a curse I guess.

[Lu2]

great katana dualstance is cool too . try it

[Lu2]

Elden John (Core: Armored) původně napsal:

Hian Gomes původně napsal:

there are way more weapons than you listed, and a lot of boss weapons wich are horrible.

After around 12 hs of pvp with all of these, I'll clarify that, no, LGS, specially Rellana's Twin blades, aren't really good, at all. Poor tracking, with some attacks having literally 0 tracking (just going straight in front of where your character is facing, and can't be aimed), extreme stamina consumtion (rivaling or worse than some colossal/great weapons), some broken hitboxes (attacks missing point blank pve and pvp on no lat), and overall super high skill cap on top of that. Also, no single attack, heavy, or charged/jumping heavy, will poise break by itself. Even straight sword does that with heavies, yes, even after the poise dmg nerfs in light weapons.

that's both an issue in PvP, but less so, also in PvE.

All boss weapons are amazing, or at least very good. Some are best in class, but for the wrong reasons (leading to near 1 shots/thousands and thousands of dmg both pve and pvp, or having literally broken interactions)

Dryleaf arts needs some serious work, again, both PvP and PvE, but it's laughable that only 2 attacks can stagger at all, and 1 of them is the R2. Also, the 2nd Dryleaf art's R2 is so much slower than the first version, it's worhtless in pvp, and it also won't give you enough hyper armor even at 100+ poise.

Then, throwable weapons, except for the Hammer and The shield, have absolutely abysmal range, tracking, and dmg, for their throwable attacks, but for some reason, by far, best in class-level scaling for their base, close quarters, attacks, overall beating the purpose of the gimmick. Some of their AR values are absolutely insane.
With bad tracking and range, I'm talking about the fact you can throw one of these to an enemy standing completely still, and completely miss. And even if you land a fully charged hit, it does not a bit less than an r1, but usually half of the dmg, which might sound good for balancing, but again, an entire action of a moveset, meaning, the entire Heavy attack button, being tied to subpar damage, is not the way to go. Make it 70% base dmg, it would be fair, it leaves you wide open, and takes some time to charge if you actually want to deal decent dmg, leaving you again vulnerable for retaliation.

Oh but the hammer absolutely F***s, and the Smithscript shield throw literally true-combos into any r1, and some r2 in PvP or with easily staggered enemies, and has absolutely insane tracking (literally will target you in a 360°).

Dlc weapons and spells/incantations are either ABSOLUTELY MONSTROUS, or mid to bottom tier broken garbage for no reason other than them probably over nerfing stuff before release for fear of backlash, which would make sense if we didn't have 4 or 5 spells
and weapons that literally trivialize the end boss and optional encounters, way to evidently to ever be ignored if playtested even a second.

Edit: why Rellana's is inferior to the other LGS? well, the ash of war, while flashy, is slower to activate, and attack (stance+input), than more than half of the game's movesets, most heavy attacks, and deals absurdly low dmg even in dedicated builds. Just use moonveil. The other LGS actually can change ashes, or have good ashes to begin with, and better damage, and a better moveset ( why the hell give as a shortsword off-hand L1...)

well renalia sword is weird. i ques fact you can powerstance it without other sword is main atraction . good set up with low sl night and flame build for move variety

[Izuzul]

I love Milady. 2 hit R2 and guard counter. Heavy, Light, Light does a fast 5 hit combo.

[B O R G]

yep doodoo weapons many of them with weird scales so few new ashes that don't suck ass

[rlh445]

uhhhhhhh the greatsword of solitude hits like a freight train and has a nice aow too lol

[Resvel]

soon everyone going to use Greatsword of damnation and spam L2 only

[Zoid13]

Hian Gomes původně napsal:

Dlc weapons are dissapointing and overall useless.

what?! lol