Controverstial topic but I need to know to the truth values straight up.

[ritzmax72]

Miquella is girl like or is he actually third gender? And "Consort" means companion or literal bed mate just like King and Queen?

[roguechesthairs]

Google is your friend tarnished one

[Jámez Bondo]

It's all kept rather vague, but it seems that split identities is one of the major themes in ER. Marika is also Radagon somehow and Miquella is also St. Trina. He is gifted (or cursed) with the ability to enthrall people around him, so him being androgenous kinda helps in a way. From has used androgeny before, most prominently with Gwyndolin, and Ymir to some extent as well in this DLC.

As for consort, it could be both, but I believe it's more about filling a role, as in gods needing a consort to bring about their age.

[ritzmax72]

Originally posted by Jámez Bondo:

It's all kept rather vague, but it seems that split identities is one of the major themes in ER. Marika is also Radagon somehow and Miquella is also St. Trina. He is gifted (or cursed) with the ability to enthrall people around him, so him being androgenous kinda helps in a way. From has used androgeny before, most prominently with Gwyndolin, and Ymir to some extent as well in this DLC.

As for consort, it could be both, but I believe it's more about filling a role, as in gods needing a consort to bring about their age.

Good reply. I guess that settles it. Whatever future has for us.

[foodfairy]

miquella wants to be jailbait

[paincanbefun]

consort is bedmate. that's how the word is used, the whole game

haven't seen the end yet, but the gender of the divinities is blurry. Hindu mythology has a bit of that, actually. Miquella seems to me that he is a male (with a female alter ego) and also that if he does female things, that's just something he gets to do

in Norse mythology, Loki becomes female (a female horse, actually) gets pregnant, has a kid, and turns back male but he is not a third gender. same with Coyote in native american mythology. these cultures had less clear ideas about biology and maybe social roles and the gods just got to do that but it didn't make them non-binary in the modern sense, or hijra (a kind of third gender) in the case of the Hindu gods

edit: i guess "consort" can mean a person you consort *with*, an associate, but Marika and Radigon are married, Mogh wants children with Miquella, and the player is implied to be the mate of either Marika or Ranni, so every time it's used, it's used to mean bedmate

[Kyutaru]

Miquella isn't exactly androgynous or a femboy. He's just a boy. A prepubescent boy. He's tiny as hell, as you can see in the depiction of his sister Malenia kneeling down to hold him. He's literally a CHILD. That's his curse, eternal childhood. Young boys look feminine.

[ritzmax72]

Originally posted by paincanbefun:

consort is bedmate. that's how the word is used, the whole game

"to consort" is to associate with, but you would not normally call an associate a "consort"

haven't seen the end yet, but the gender of the divinities is blurry. Hindu mythology has a bit of that, actually. Miquella seems to me that he is a male (with a female alter ego) and also that if he does female things, that's just something he gets to do

in Norse mythology, Loki becomes female (a female horse, actually) gets pregnant, has a kid, and turns back male but he is not a third gender. same with Coyote in native american mythology. these cultures had less clear ideas about biology and maybe social roles and the gods just got to do that but it didn't make them non-binary in the modern sense, or hijra (a kind of third gender) in the case of the Hindu gods

Ladyboy = third gender = hijra. Biologically born with male genitalia but having feminine characteristics like breast. They are revered in Hindu culture.
What settles for me is, Miquella is not like Grifith who is actually male (just a very sophisticated one unlike Guts). Miquella, Makira both are similar in terms of gender or whatever biology Miyazaki meant by "twins".

[Mall Ninja]

Miquella is a demigod and an empyrean, the human sexuality principles may not apply. Nowhere is implied he would bang Radahn - the "promised consort" is necessary to Miquella for rebuilding the world in his vision and ascending to godhood.

[paincanbefun]

Originally posted by ritzmax72:

Ladyboy = third gender = hijra. Biologically born with male genitalia but having feminine characteristics like breast. They are revered in Hindu culture.
What settles for me is, Miquella is not like Grifith who is actually male (just a very sophisticated one unlike Guts). Miquella, Makira both are similar in terms of gender or whatever biology Miyazaki meant by "twins".

i would not say that a kathoey (ladyboy) and a hijra are the same, and hijra have a pretty hard time in actual society but the point is that this is not what Miquella is

Mogh thinks that he and Miquella will have children together. they are both male. neither Miquella nor Mogh seem to need to have breasts, a vagina, or eggs for this to happen

[Kim]

Miquella is the twin brother of Malenia , that is probably why he look so androgynous.

nothing in the game indicate that he is other than a male , a brother to both Malenia and Ranni (as they are the three Empyreans , likely the only three to be able to ascend to godhood)

A consort is a title or a name for people/entities sharing something meaningfull together

when they are spouses , we talk about "prince/queen" consort , not just consort
when they are not spouses , we talk about consort (even if consort will almost never be used to describe them)
when they are vessels/ships , we talk about consort

An Empyrean do not die when his body dies , he continue to exist and can be given dolls/puppets in order to interact easily with others to do whatever he want.

Ranni was given dolls from Seluvis
Miquella probably had his own , one could think that Tryna and Melina was his own
Malenia did not need one since her flesh was hers when the Tarnished met her

as for the last obivious part where he could be in love with Radahn , he is as much in love with is brother than the tarnished is in love with Ranni (since the Tarnished is the consort of Ranni)

[ritzmax72]

What does Miquella mean?

[Toast]

Miquella is a dude, cursed with looking like a twelve year old Asian boy for all eternity. Chris Hansen makes a lot of money off him. St Trina is an extensions of Miquella. Once you finish the dlc, you’ll see what I mean. There’s also a few weapons in the base game, with more flavor text.

As far as the gods swinging on both sides of the fence. From, and Martin took a page from several mythologies. Gods can take the form of anything, even go mushroom mode on themselves, and create offspring.

The caveat to that is, the offspring are usually really messed up, due to the lack of mixed blood. It’s why we have offspring such as, Malenia, Miquella on the Marika/Radagon side, and Ranni, and Radahn on the Radagon/Renala side.

[Shrigma mail]

every single item in the game calls miquella a 'he', the final remambrace is plural, because it is referencing both miquella and malenia, as its a reminiscence of their youth / miquellas memories of his youth that he spent glued to his sister, further corroborated by the fact that the very next sentence is explicitly about miquella only and says 'his'. There are no gender issues, there are other issues

[paincanbefun]

Originally posted by Toast:

even go mushroom mode on themselves, and create offspring.

it seems to me that the function of the consort is to provide like... inspiration, sort of, for the creations of the divinity and the divinity isn't bound by normal rules

in Mass Effect, there are these aliens, the Asari, and they mate and reproduce, but they can do it with anything, and what they create are more Asari, not a hybrid race. if the Mogwyn Dynasty happened, i think it would have been something like that

[ritzmax72]

Originally posted by What?:

every single item in the game calls miquella a 'he', the final remambrace is plural, because it is referencing both miquella and malenia, as its a reminiscence of their youth / miquellas memories of his youth that he spent glued to his sister, further corroborated by the fact that the very next sentence is explicitly about miquella only and says 'his'. There are no gender issues, there are other issues

You are bringing "pronoun" which is not the case point of my query. My query is, where did Miyazaki learn to have "male-male and sibling" act like "King and Queen". My only remembrance is when I looked up Greek mythology while playing God of War 3 and turns out whoever wrote "Greek mythology" wrote a lot of "Zeus and his daughters" as "King and Queen bedmate" and thus "incest". But I don't remember reading or having a slight hint about "Incest" and "Male-male" kingship. He must have read somewhere or it is work of GRRM or maybe it's a new thing.