what is the effect of spell scaling on indirect spells? weapon buffs, heal over time, etc?

[paincanbefun]

Direct damage and direct healing spells increase with scaling, obviously, but what about body buffs, weapon buffs, Bestial Vitality, etc?

are the effects identical as long as the spell goes off, or does scaling affect them?

i can even cast with the Golden Order Seal, even though I don't meet the INT requirement. do buffs, etc, cast that way function as normal? thanks in advance

[Knavenformed]

Pretty sure certain spells don't scale, but mostly they are status cleanse and status application
Those worked* before without meeting impliment requirements but don't know if that's fixed, though you'd have access to the Finger Seal to cast them anyways at that point

But yeah anything that scales will be worse if using an implement not proficient with

[Shard of Manus]

Weapon buffs such as Order's Blade, Scholar's Armament etc. ARE all affected by the spell scaling of your catalyst.

All body buffs are static buffs, unaffected by scaling. This includes heal over time spells.

[Shpeeno]

damaging spells are simple, their damage is affected by the Sorcery Scaling or Incant Scaling of the catalyst you're using.

direct healing incantations (since there are no sorceries that do this) scale only with faith. specifically, it seems to be affected by Incantation Scaling, but only the base amount that the catalyst has, as well as the amount gained through the faith stat. If the catalyst you're using scales with other stats (like how the golden order seal scales with intelligence), the Incant Scaling gained from any stat other than faith will not affect the spell.

weapon buffs are the same, the damage added by the spell will scale, but only with one stat. Intelligence if it's a sorcery, and Faith if it's an incantation.

and, as mentioned above, the other types of buffs generally don't scale with anything. not meeting the minimum requirements for a catalyst makes the Incant/Sorcery Scaling incredibly low, so anything that scales with that will obviously be very poor, but the non-scaling buffs should act the same regardless.