Starting Messmer fight locks you out of two quests, great...

[CastielArch]

We are hitting peak stupid quest design here, the simple fact of traversing the fog door of Messmer (which you have no real way of knowing it's his boss room specificaly) triggers a quest Hornsent having his summon sign in the boss arena to go to the next stage, locking another quest helping Leda kill him or defending him from Leda via summon signs from being compleated the red and gold summon signs simply don't appear anymore , and with that quest locked you can't do a following quest Leda wanting to kill Ansbach
Absolutly stupid and terrible quest design, 50h in the DLC and I still get locked from doing quests despite refusing to kill story bosses until I have searched everything...

[erogg]

I accidentally wandered into that boss fight as well before progressing the NPC quests and after he killed me I was still able to progress everyones quest.. i was still able to do the Hornsent vs Leda fight. Either killing Messmer and/or Burning the tree will cause some issues though if you havnt been progressing the NPC quests and want all the rewards

[CastielArch]

Bankai9212님이 먼저 게시:

CastielArch님이 먼저 게시:

There's nothing indicating you're about to fight Messmer, his small fog door is after a small flight of stairs and a small square room, there's nothing in his fog door screaming major boss, you compleatly missunderstood my post. I'm aware Messmer is a boss, but unless I spoil myself there's nothing indicating that is his boss room, the hyppo fog door looks more like you're about to fight him than the toilet stall that stands as his boss entrance.

I think most would agree with how long and big elden ring is looking at guides for npc quests is fine.

Safe to say after that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I spoiled every quest for myself.

[Bankai9212]

Action Man님이 먼저 게시:

This isn't peak FromSoft quest design. This is standard FromSoft quest design.

I missed the Hornsent quest because I entered the Keep from the Church side - I either missed Hornsent's summon or it didn't show because I entered the arena from a different door. I was still able to do Ansbach's quest though.

Except those games don’t take 80 hours to complete let alone a dlc that is close to half of the base games run time.

[CastielArch]

Action Man님이 먼저 게시:

This isn't peak FromSoft quest design. This is standard FromSoft quest design.

I missed the Hornsent quest because I entered the Keep from the Church side - I either missed Hornsent's summon or it didn't show because I entered the arena from a different door. I was still able to do Ansbach's quest though.

I can't remember a single quest locking you out of other quests for STARTING a boss fight. Finishing a boss yes, but just entering a boss arena I can't recall a single instence of that in any of the previous games or this one.