St. Trina is...

[Damien]

Miquella? I don't understand. Miquellas flesh was dead in mohgwyns palace right? Why is St. Trina alive sleeping in that cave until we kill miquella at the end?

[TyresTyco]

We have to wait for Vaati or Smoughtown to explain it to us. Except the part with the land of shadows is the place where souls get transported when they die in the lands between.. I didnt understand that much.

I just loled when I saw Miquella alive in flesh hugging Radahn as a physical being after he abandoned everything besides his hair.

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Demi-Gods are semi-spiritual beings. I would try not to think about the physicality of it too much. Its a bit like how, even when first meeting her, Melina said she was "Burned and bodyless", she couldn't move freely without you taking her to the erdtree, until she got there. I think Miquella is in a similar state (considering both are children of Marika), but can still sacrifice parts of his being. He doesn't just abandon his flesh, but abstract concepts like fears and doubts, and his "love". The cross before we find St. Trina says "I abandon here my love". I believe St. Trina is his love, taken on a different persona just like Marika/Radagon.

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We have to wait for Vaati or Smoughtown to explain it to us. Except the part with the land of shadows is the place where souls get transported when they die in the lands between.. I didnt understand that much.

I just loled when I saw Miquella alive in flesh hugging Radahn as a physical being after he abandoned everything besides his hair.

Who says he's a physical being in that moment? I don't believe he is. I think that is simply the last remaining aspect of Miquella that he did not abandon. I'm not sure what it is yet. Perhaps his ambition, as an emperyan. I still don't know how it ends, not beat them yet. If you want to post spoilers from the post fight scene please use the spoiler text filter.

[Damien]

and if miquella and mohgywn were both in cahoots why did mohgwyn rip out miquellas egg? Also if Miquella was going to double cross mohgywn and use mohgwyns... body? or something to revive radahn? Ngl the situation got me thinking of when griffith took advantage of that king for money and then just using him.

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and if miquella and mohgywn were both in cahoots why did mohgwyn rip out miquellas egg? Also if Miquella was going to double cross mohgywn and use mohgwyns... body? or something to revive radahn? Ngl the situation got me thinking of when griffith took advantage of that king for money and then just using him.

I believe its all deception and manipulation on Miquella's part. Totally just speculation but he is one massive Griffith reference. I think a lot of Eclipse esq stuff is going on. You know, sacrificing loved ones for godhood that kinda thing.

[Damien]

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We have to wait for Vaati or Smoughtown to explain it to us. Except the part with the land of shadows is the place where souls get transported when they die in the lands between.. I didnt understand that much.

I just loled when I saw Miquella alive in flesh hugging Radahn as a physical being after he abandoned everything besides his hair.

yeah i was confused with how he was casting everything away but at the end he was full formed?

[Damien]

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Demi-Gods are semi-spiritual beings. I would try not to think about the physicality of it too much. Its a bit like how, even when first meeting her, Melina said she was "Burned and bodyless", she couldn't move freely without you taking her to the erdtree, until she got there. I think Miquella is in a similar state (considering both are children of Marika), but can still sacrifice parts of his being. He doesn't just abandon his flesh, but abstract concepts like fears and doubts, and his "love". The cross before we find St. Trina says "I abandon here my love". I believe St. Trina is his love, taken on a different persona just like Marika/Radagon.

ok yeah that makes a lot of sense ngl

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Demi-Gods are semi-spiritual beings. I would try not to think about the physicality of it too much. Its a bit like how, even when first meeting her, Melina said she was "Burned and bodyless", she couldn't move freely without you taking her to the erdtree, until she got there. I think Miquella is in a similar state (considering both are children of Marika), but can still sacrifice parts of his being. He doesn't just abandon his flesh, but abstract concepts like fears and doubts, and his "love". The cross before we find St. Trina says "I abandon here my love". I believe St. Trina is his love, taken on a different persona just like Marika/Radagon.

ok yeah that makes a lot of sense ngl

There's this whole concept of spirits in Elden Ring right. Torrent is a "Spectral steed" but we physically ride him. Torrent gets upgraded along with all our spirit ashes when using "Revered spirit ashes" in the dlc. Miquella is heavily associated with Torrent and is seen in the first promo art riding him in the land of shadow, which must have been post Mohging.

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We have to wait for Vaati or Smoughtown to explain it to us. Except the part with the land of shadows is the place where souls get transported when they die in the lands between.. I didnt understand that much.

I just loled when I saw Miquella alive in flesh hugging Radahn as a physical being after he abandoned everything besides his hair.

Who says he's a physical being in that moment? I don't believe he is. I think that is simply the last remaining aspect of Miquella that he did not abandon. I'm not sure what it is yet. Perhaps his ambition, as an emperyan. I still don't know how it ends, not beat them yet. If you want to post spoilers from the post fight scene please use the spoiler text filter.

Well I ofc can just assume things since the game doesnt really explain anything about Miquella besides some cryptic nothing burgers. There is next to nothing there. Which tbh disappointed me a lil bit. We needed a npc that explains a couple of things like Ansbach for Mohg. Meanwhile we get Leda that is just borderline insane.

But thats also why I look forward to the lore videos. Because I didnt understand much.

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Who says he's a physical being in that moment? I don't believe he is. I think that is simply the last remaining aspect of Miquella that he did not abandon. I'm not sure what it is yet. Perhaps his ambition, as an emperyan. I still don't know how it ends, not beat them yet. If you want to post spoilers from the post fight scene please use the spoiler text filter.

Well I ofc can just assume things since the game doesnt really explain anything about Miquella besides some cryptic nothing burgers. There is next to nothing there. Which tbh disappointed me a lil bit. We needed a npc that explains a couple of things like Ansbach for Mohg. Meanwhile we get Leda that is just borderline insane.

But thats also why I look forward to the lore videos. Because I didnt understand much.

How is the final boss a cryptic nothing burger? Radahn was his promised consort, that's why Malenia and Radahn fought, that's what was going on at Castle Sol. We believe they were trying to return the soul of Godwyn, we were wrong IT WAS RADAHN. I still don't fully understand it and I'm speculating a lot, but how is ANY of that a nothing burger?

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and if miquella and mohgywn were both in cahoots why did mohgwyn rip out miquellas egg? Also if Miquella was going to double cross mohgywn and use mohgwyns... body? or something to revive radahn? Ngl the situation got me thinking of when griffith took advantage of that king for money and then just using him.

I believe its all deception and manipulation on Miquella's part. Totally just speculation but he is one massive Griffith reference. I think a lot of Eclipse esq stuff is going on. You know, sacrificing loved ones for godhood that kinda thing.

Oh yeah I was so focused on the Dark Souls memberberries I forgot Miquella was supposed to be Sniffith from Berk. Yes I am also fed up with the Berk references too, but I'll accept those more than Twin Pwinces rehash.

And Miquella is yet another character like Ranni who is described one way in the lore and narrative, but their actions towards the player make them out to be a drooling idiot:

Miquella: "ye can't defeet us, for I am a God and ma brotha' es a lard, m'lard, we shall dfeet ye for I am a god and a god is a god and I am god."
Player: Standing there with the sword you get from the Elden Beast: A LITERAL GOD.

The moment you try to apply the Dark Souls kind of writing anywhere else characters just turn out looking so stupid in their motivations and we know the writers want us to think they're smart, so it's entirely a failure on the writers part when the character chalks up the players accomplishments to a "nuh uh", while an actual entity would start sweating realizing the player has murdered literally EVERYONE whose ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in their path.

Miquella should have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ toasted by Messmer and he should have been the final boss, I would have accepted Godwyn the Golden too though.

[Topper mcnabb]

The god's duality in this game takes inspiration from real life metaphysical aspects from religion, many religions consider their gods to be multi aspected, think of Christianism holy trinity, their god is thrice at once while still being one, the best analogy to this would be the stages of water, ice, water and vapour, thrice different but still the same substance, a boiling kettle containing both water at its bottom and vapour rising up at the same time.

Now apply this to ER and you will have a much better understanding of the god's being multi faceted, be it Radagon and Marika, Miquella and Trina or Malenia and her daughters.
They are all empyreans in lore, meaning they have something which the regular demi gods have not, and they all possess this transubstantiation element, even Ranni and her dual faced doll, althou we have no clue what this represents to her.

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Well I ofc can just assume things since the game doesnt really explain anything about Miquella besides some cryptic nothing burgers. There is next to nothing there. Which tbh disappointed me a lil bit. We needed a npc that explains a couple of things like Ansbach for Mohg. Meanwhile we get Leda that is just borderline insane.

But thats also why I look forward to the lore videos. Because I didnt understand much.

How is the final boss a cryptic nothing burger? Radahn was his promised consort, that's why Malenia and Radahn fought, that's what was going on at Castle Sol. We believe they were trying to return the soul of Godwyn, we were wrong IT WAS RADAHN. I still don't fully understand it and I'm speculating a lot, but how is ANY of that a nothing burger?

No not the boss or miquella. The little info we get for miquella in the dlc.

I mean your explaination above does make sense but imho it should be a bit more obvious if he actually transcended into godhood.

I stand by what I said. He abandond everything to be able to turn into a god. My question is.. how? Nothing is explained there. Why did he have to kill himself and abandon everything to turn into god. What makes enir-llim so special? I might missed some enviromental lore or something.

What he did to get there.. we know. With nothing burger I also meant all the info we had about him being gentle and probably the one and only decent offspring from Marika. In the end however he is just a spoiled brat killing everyone only to get his will.

Yeah making the world gentler place after being a manipulative piece of ♥♥♥♥ literally forcing radahn into mohg to be his b1tch lol.

Then accusing us coming from the erdtree despite us effin burning that thing to the ground rofl. I just wish Miquella had more to say. All the build up for next to absolutely nothing.

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From has no idea either.

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ok yeah that makes a lot of sense ngl

There's this whole concept of spirits in Elden Ring right. Torrent is a "Spectral steed" but we physically ride him. Torrent gets upgraded along with all our spirit ashes when using "Revered spirit ashes" in the dlc. Miquella is heavily associated with Torrent and is seen in the first promo art riding him in the land of shadow, which must have been post Mohging.

I was also wondering about that promo like why was my torrent getting ridden by a twink