Disappointed with what is missing from the DLC.... (Spoilers?)

[Tentacule Un Seigneur]

Especially things that came before Marika and the Erdtree...
I thought it would shed more light on the Numen...
Explain the Ancient Deathbirds, the Helphen Church related to them, and the Twin Headed Bird Outer God that created them....
Especially thought it would go into the Godskin Nobles and Gloam Eyed Queen...the ones who ruled before Marika's rise to power.
Or learn more about the Onyx Lords or Crystallians....

But not only do we not learn anything related to those, they are conspicuously absent....
Also absent is any form of Lava, Cold, Crystal, Night, Black Flame, Sword Sorceries, or Weapon Enchantment Spells.....and while there are Putrecence spells, there are not really any new proper Ghostflame Spells.

Anyone else disappointed that it didn't dig further into such elements?
Or have at least one new spell of some of the prior types? (Lava and Cold especially didn't have much, and given the Lava Forges you go to, I was sure we would get some sort of Lava Axe, Lava Hammer, or Lava Sword spell.....but nope.)

[epreber0809]

I wanted to know who Gogrick's parents were. XD

Now that you mention it, Yes I would love to know more about the Numen, and the Gloameyed queen. I thought maybe it would give us some answers there... It doesn't? The new [!] feture on new items is not working for me? finding it hard to pay atentinon to the game, read the new item i grab, and then find it so I haven't been able to read everything I pick up from the DLC... :C

[LuckyCheshire]

We have significantly more lore on Marika's origins now, from many different sources.

We have obviously deathbird-inspired enemies littered all over the map and a related armor set, even if there isn't much lore attached.

We have a talisman that boosts lava damage. Also another spell (Bayle's Tyranny) that should be lava, but isn't boosted by the talisman so might be bugged.

We've got lots of night equipment from the Night-Hands. Also Fleeting Microcosm, which is thematically related.

There are new sword sorceries.

There are two new Ghostflame spells.

Yes, I would love to have more options for those themes. But we did get several already that you seem to have missed.

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Aerieanei:

Why did the trailer show us fighting Dancer of Ranah in beautiful blue field but in the DLC we fight her in a dank cold place? What is a Ranah? Can you get there from Lands of Shadow or must you get there from Lands Between?

Probably where Tanith came from.

[Tentacule Un Seigneur]

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire:

We have significantly more lore on Marika's origins now, from many different sources.

We have obviously deathbird-inspired enemies littered all over the map and a related armor set, even if there isn't much lore attached.

We have a talisman that boosts lava damage. Also another spell (Bayle's Tyranny) that should be lava, but isn't boosted by the talisman so might be bugged.

We've got lots of night equipment from the Night-Hands. Also Fleeting Microcosm, which is thematically related.

There are new sword sorceries.

There are two new Ghostflame spells.

Yes, I would love to have more options for those themes. But we did get several already that you seem to have missed.

1. The Bayle spells are Dragon Communion Incantations.....NOT Lava Sorceries.

2. Fleeting Microcosm is more related to Comets and Stars than Darkness, the Night Sorceries are focused on stealth and the dark of space, not the stars.

3. There are no new Sword Sorceries (Sorceries that turn your wand into a sword), there is one (only one) new Glintblade Sorcery though (The spells that create floating swords).

4. And the new Death Spells are Putrescence Spells, they create a variant of Ghostflame, but are blue, not black and white, and involve slime being tossed about. Black Flame is something entirely Different and was the weapon of the Godskin Nobles, and deals extra damage to holy foes. There is not a single new Black Flame spell. And the Godskin Nobles are entirely absent (Which is odd given they were scattered all over the Lands Between).

So what are the things I missed?

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire:

We have significantly more lore on Marika's origins now, from many different sources.

We have obviously deathbird-inspired enemies littered all over the map and a related armor set, even if there isn't much lore attached.

We have a talisman that boosts lava damage. Also another spell (Bayle's Tyranny) that should be lava, but isn't boosted by the talisman so might be bugged.

We've got lots of night equipment from the Night-Hands. Also Fleeting Microcosm, which is thematically related.

There are new sword sorceries.

There are two new Ghostflame spells.

Yes, I would love to have more options for those themes. But we did get several already that you seem to have missed.

1. The Bayle spells are Dragon Communion Incantations.....NOT Lava Sorceries.

2. Fleeting Microcosm is more related to Comets and Stars than Darkness, the Night Sorceries are focused on stealth and the dark of space, not the stars.

3. There are no new Sword Sorceries (Sorceries that turn your wand into a sword), there is one (only one) new Glintblade Sorcery though (The spells that create floating swords).

4. And the new Death Spells are Putrescence Spells, they create a variant of Ghostflame, but are blue, not black and white, and involve slime being tossed about. Black Flame is something entirely Different and was the weapon of the Godskin Nobles, and deals extra damage to holy foes. There is not a single new Black Flame spell. And the Godskin Nobles are entirely absent (Which is odd given they were scattered all over the Lands Between).

So what are the things I missed?

1. You just said Lava, not Lava Sorceries specifically.

2. Yeah, fair 'nuff. They're not entirely dissimilar though.

3. Again, you didn't specify. I don't see any distinction on a purely thematic basis. They're all Carian spells shaped like swords.

4. We got Ghostflame Breath and Rings of Spectral Light. And I never said anything about the Black Flame. I'd like more of those certainly, although they're already quite powerful.

[Krieger]

I play FromSoftware games for the story ;^)

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Krieger:

I play FromSoftware games for the story ;^)

Whoof. I'm sorry for your loss.

[Asterion]

none said those things would be in the dlc, lol

[zmanbuilder]

If you want things explained, then from games are not for you.

[Tentacule Un Seigneur]

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire:

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:

1. The Bayle spells are Dragon Communion Incantations.....NOT Lava Sorceries.

2. Fleeting Microcosm is more related to Comets and Stars than Darkness, the Night Sorceries are focused on stealth and the dark of space, not the stars.

3. There are no new Sword Sorceries (Sorceries that turn your wand into a sword), there is one (only one) new Glintblade Sorcery though (The spells that create floating swords).

4. And the new Death Spells are Putrescence Spells, they create a variant of Ghostflame, but are blue, not black and white, and involve slime being tossed about. Black Flame is something entirely Different and was the weapon of the Godskin Nobles, and deals extra damage to holy foes. There is not a single new Black Flame spell. And the Godskin Nobles are entirely absent (Which is odd given they were scattered all over the Lands Between).

So what are the things I missed?

1. You just said Lava, not Lava Sorceries specifically.

2. Yeah, fair 'nuff. They're not entirely dissimilar though.

3. Again, you didn't specify. I don't see any distinction on a purely thematic basis. They're all Carian spells shaped like swords.

4. We got Ghostflame Breath and Rings of Spectral Light. And I never said anything about the Black Flame. I'd like more of those certainly, although they're already quite powerful.

Hmmm, I suppose I should have specified "Lava Sorceries", things the golden Stave can boost specifically that deal fire damage and often leave Lava behind, there are barely any of those, we really needed one or two more.

And I was distinct, "Sword Sorceries" is the specific term for the spells that turn your wand into a sword. And Glintblade is specifically relating to spells that create floating sword projections. There are a pair of staves that power up each of those spells separately.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Carian+Glintstone+Staff The Sword Sorcery Staff.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Carian+Glintblade+Staff The Glintblade Staff.

[McC1oud]

This isn't Back to the Future, it's a story happening concurrently

[Tentacule Un Seigneur]

Originally posted by Asterion:

none said those things would be in the dlc, lol

You have to admit the absence of the Godskin Nobles and related elements is kind of odd though right? The DLC Trailers seemed to focus on Marika's rise to Power......and the ones in power before her rise were the GodSkin Nobles and the Gloam Eyed Queen.....but for some reason there is not even a hint of them in the DLC.

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire:

1. You just said Lava, not Lava Sorceries specifically.

2. Yeah, fair 'nuff. They're not entirely dissimilar though.

3. Again, you didn't specify. I don't see any distinction on a purely thematic basis. They're all Carian spells shaped like swords.

4. We got Ghostflame Breath and Rings of Spectral Light. And I never said anything about the Black Flame. I'd like more of those certainly, although they're already quite powerful.

Hmmm, I suppose I should have specified "Lava Sorceries", things the golden Stave can boost specifically that deal fire damage and often leave Lava behind, there are barely any of those, we really needed one or two more.

And I was distinct, "Sword Sorceries" is the specific term for the spells that turn your wand into a sword. And Glintblade is specifically relating to spells that create floating sword projections. There are a pair of staves that power up each of those spells separately.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Carian+Glintstone+Staff The Sword Sorcery Staff.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Carian+Glintblade+Staff The Glintblade Staff.

Agreed on the first count. I just think that the Bayle spells really deserve to be Lava spells in the first place, since the Lava-boosting talisman is an image of Bayle and all.

And on the second count, Fextralife literally has to explain "Despite there being other named or otherwise related Carian spells," whichever staff only boosts one subset. So sure, there's a distinction. But only for the sake of not making one of the staffs hideously overpowered, not on any thematic basis. They're all Carian. I guess if you really love the Glintstone Staff specifically for some reason, it makes sense to be looking for Sword Sorceries in particular.

[LuckyCheshire]

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:

Originally posted by Asterion:

none said those things would be in the dlc, lol

You have to admit the absence of the Godskin Nobles and related elements is kind of odd though right? The DLC Trailers seemed to focus on Marika's rise to Power......and the ones in power before her rise were the GodSkin Nobles and the Gloam Eyed Queen.....but for some reason there is not even a hint of them in the DLC.

It's certainly a bit odd. How I interpreted the lore though, the Gloam-Eyed Queen was in power concurrent to Marika's gradual rise to power, not predicating it. The biggest players were the Ancient Dragons such as Placidusax iirc. There were also the Fire Giants, which were a major target of Marika's.

I also subscribe to the theory that Melina was the Gloam-Eyed Queen btw, which would further support my timeline above.

[Tentacule Un Seigneur]

Originally posted by LuckyCheshire:

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:

You have to admit the absence of the Godskin Nobles and related elements is kind of odd though right? The DLC Trailers seemed to focus on Marika's rise to Power......and the ones in power before her rise were the GodSkin Nobles and the Gloam Eyed Queen.....but for some reason there is not even a hint of them in the DLC.

It's certainly a bit odd. How I interpreted the lore though, the Gloam-Eyed Queen was in power concurrent to Marika's gradual rise to power, not predicating it. The biggest players were the Ancient Dragons such as Placidusax iirc. There were also the Fire Giants, which were a major target of Marika's.

I also subscribe to the theory that Melina was the Gloam-Eyed Queen btw, which would further support my timeline above.

No, in various items, it talks about how the Godskins were in power before Marika or the ErdTree existed. It even mentions that she was the Empyrean chosen by the Fingers. Meaning she was the one chosen by the Greater Will prior to Marika.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Black+Flame+Ritual

And that in the Age of the Gloam Eyed Queen, they had Hunted Gods.

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Noble+Presence

(And I don't think Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, after all, she talks about "her mother in the ErdTree", and the Gloam Eyed Queen existed before the age of the Erd Tree and the sealing of Destined Death.)