game is not made for solo only

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

it is so insanely hard to not use ashes or npc summons. god skin duo really shows it. and black knight also.


the game is built to compensate people using ashes like mimic by inflating the hp of bosses forcing you to use npcs and ashes. you have no choice since you are gonna struggling trying to kill a boss for so long.


shame really i wanted to try not to use ashes or npcs for a run but its so brutal in end game

[Knavenformed]

Elden Ring definitely has the biggest difference between solo vs squads (vs Mimic) difficulty

I guess they wanted to give more "superboss" feeling bosses in the game compared to an end-game challenge only like Darklurker/Friede/Gael/Orphan

[Kraxiloth]

Godskin duo can be cheesed with a Sleep Pot (https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Sleep+Pot) making the fight trivial. As with most bosses in Elden Ring it's all about understanding the fight AND learning the fight.

[amathy]

Do people still not understand how to throw sleep pots for the godskin duo fight

[[R0AT] oru]

Ashes aren't mandatory at all, and many ashes require several points into mind and/or vigor to use. NPC summons actually boost the boss's hp bar if im not wrong, and ashes are deliberately made not very strong just because they could make playing the game trivial.

Bosses like the Godskin Duo are criticized almost across the board for their poor design, even compared to other duo bosses which are also not loved. If you cant get good enough to beat them without ashes, you can use sleep pots to easily put them to sleep while you work on the other. The cookbook for sleep pots is just northeast of the Artist's Shack waypoint in Limgrave, and that should help you quite a bit. The game is hard, not impossible

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Valfader:

Godskin duo can be cheesed with a Sleep Pot (https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Sleep+Pot) making the fight trivial. As with most bosses in Elden Ring it's all about understanding the fight AND learning the fight.

You can cheese godskin just by standing behind pillar.the fat guy gets bugged when rolling and stuck a lot.

[Kraxiloth]

Not entirely true, buddy. You can summon any ashes using your Physick flask with a Cerulean Hidden Tear. I did this on a level 1 run a while back (videos on my profile if you're interested).

[Void]

you literally just have to git gud. co opping the game just makes it easier. i've done most bosses solo

[ELDEN LORD]

Originally posted by REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

it is so insanely hard to not use ashes or npc summons. god skin duo really shows it. and black knight also.


the game is built to compensate people using ashes like mimic by inflating the hp of bosses forcing you to use npcs and ashes. you have no choice since you are gonna struggling trying to kill a boss for so long.


shame really i wanted to try not to use ashes or npcs for a run but its so brutal in end game

bro whats with this things against the tools the game gives you. theres nothing wrong with using them, the devs put in alot of work to create these for you. imo its just as fun using them, its cool seeeing them in action along side urself.

[ELDEN LORD]

Originally posted by amathy:

Do people still not understand how to throw sleep pots for the godskin duo fight

how do u get sleep pots?

[Kraxiloth]

I literally gave you a link with all the information you need, my guy. It's easily craftable.

[靐]

Unequip everything, give yourself eternal sleep pot, summon mimic and watch sleeping duo.

[zero]

consdering solo is the default way, it is literally designed to be played solo, 100%, everything else is to make it easier from the default.

[Kraxiloth]

Originally posted by zero:

consdering solo is the default way, it is literally designed to be played solo, 100%, everything else is to make it easier from the default.

I'm going on a bit of a rant here, but it's not directed at you personally but rather those who share your opinion. Try not to take offense.

Anyway.. It's a solo/co-op game. Everything you find and are able to make use of in-game is valid. That means that if you're a die hard parry/riposte player, meta build user, challenge runner, X only player, consumables only, no horse etc.. - it's all OK. It doesn't matter even in the slightest how someone completes the game and frankly it's insulting to have people try to gaslight others and take away from their achievements because the game was not played in a manner they prefer.

Certain things do make the game easier, but so what? If that's the way someone wants to play - what's the problem? I mean that as an honest and open question. I have never gotten a good response to what the actual problem is with this..

[zero]

Originally posted by Valfader:

Originally posted by zero:

consdering solo is the default way, it is literally designed to be played solo, 100%, everything else is to make it easier from the default.

I'm going on a bit of a rant here, but it's not directed at you personally but rather those who share your opinion. Try not to take offense.

Anyway.. It's a solo/co-op game. Everything you find and are able to make use of in-game is valid. That means that if you're a die hard parry/riposte player, meta build user, challenge runner, X only player, consumables only, no horse etc.. - it's all OK. It doesn't matter even in the slightest how someone completes the game and frankly it's insulting to have people try to gaslight others and take away from their achievements because the game was not played in a manner they prefer.

Certain things do make the game easier, but so what? If that's the way someone wants to play - what's the problem? I mean that as an honest and open question. I have never gotten a good response to what the actual problem is with this..

the co-op much like the pvp is an optional content you can choose to engage it, but ultimately this isn't 'It takes 2' or anything like it, its a tool, but a game is not balanced around something you *cannot* use when playing offline, that would be a very nonsense argument to make.

im not quite sure why your asking me to take offense considering your just saying "play how you want" which doesn't contradict anything i stated.

i wasn't judging people for getting help, im just saying the topic creator is wrong for saying its the expected method of progression through the game.

by default, the game is solo, it doesn't force you to interact with other players ever, it is a choice the user makes and nothing more.

in other words: the game is made for solo, everything else is on top of it.

people made the same argument with bosses like the 4 kings in dark souls, or any "gank squad" complaint from other games, but its always been the same

[Knavenformed]

Originally posted by Valfader:

Certain things do make the game easier, but so what? If that's the way someone wants to play - what's the problem? I mean that as an honest and open question. I have never gotten a good response to what the actual problem is with this..

Most people with the problem come from playing the Souls series
Which in the case of Elden RIng is a massive minority

But the Souls experience was a very strict experience, that was easy enough for a solo-player to get into that most agreed that summoning was taking away from the core experience

Here in Elden Ring though the line gets a bit more blurred since the game is either really challenging when going at it with the old Souls attitude, or it's even easier than the older games if you actually go out of your way to use everything at your disposal

I feel like a lot of people who disown new mechanics are people looking for the fine red line that made Dark Souls so good, but sadly it just is not present in ER with such a different take on the style of game.