Gargoyle's Blackblade or Siluria's Tree?

[Greywander]

I'm running a STR/FTH build. I was planning on using both of these weapons but the more I think about it the more I realize these two weapons are too similar and have most of the same use cases. They're both heavier weapons with split holy damage and mid range ashes of war. I'm just having trouble seeing myself actually using both weapons instead of just defaulting to whichever I find to be my favorite while the other uselessly takes up a weapon slot and equip load and consumes my smithing stones.

As an example of a weapon that properly distinguishes itself, I'm going to off hand the Grafted Dragon, a lighter, faster weapon that deals strike and fire damage and has a melee AoE ash of war (which can be used while in the left hand). It has very little overlap with either of the above weapons.

[RedEssence]

I'd take Siluria's tree if it was me, that AOW hits like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ truck

[Greywander]

That it does. I did some testing with the unupgraded weapons at the Gatehouse Ruins, and Siluria's Woe did about double the damage of Corpse Wax Cutter. That said, I did have some issues with the aiming, even with being locked on Siluria's Woe would sometimes go right over their heads if they were downhill. Windup is also longer, though you can use it without charging for a melee AoE.

[Elymnir]

Siluria's tree has consistently been one of my favorites. The AoW does hit like a truck, but the weapon itself also has pokes with some range and horizontal moves as well. When it comes to faith blades, the one made from Rykard's ashes is the best in my opinion. Similar AoW to Corpse Wax, but heals on top of that.

[LuckyCheshire]

Blackblade is strong, but Siluria's Tree is a ton of fun. The normal attacks are mediocre for a spear/great spear, but the AoW is nuts, especially fully charged.

[LuckyCheshire]

Although honestly I'd take a look at Ordovis' Greatsword too. It's my favorite weapon to use, and gets a bit more mileage out of your strength stat as well as faith. It's a closer range weapon, but if you ever feel the need to poise-break dragons it's unbeatable. Being able to charge the AoW different amounts of time also is really useful for throwing people off in PvP.

[Toast]

Siluria’s happy tree is always a fun go to. Everyone gets to see some happy trees.

[SundownKid]

Siluria's Tree is stupidly strong. It's the Wave Motion Cannon of Elden Ring weapons, especially boosted by the relevant Talismans. You won't need much else really.

[Kalamir]

As much as I love Blackblade, Siluria's Tree AoW scales to attack power & not just Faith. Making it the Better Choice against Holy Resistant Bosses.

The Strengths of the Blackblade is that it can be acquired early, has very High base stats & has a black flame like HP melter on it's AoE. Sadly, it will always be overshadowed by the Blasphemous Blade for it's passives & Stronger yet similar AoW.

[Greywander]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kalamir:

As much as I love Blackblade, Siluria's Tree AoW scales to attack power & not just Faith.

I recently made a discovery, and that's that Corpse Wax Cutter doesn't appear to scale with anything other than weapon level. I thought it would at least scale with Faith, but I tested it before and after bumping my Faith and the damage didn't change at all.

It's fine for now, as it's still pretty strong for where I'm at, but it's annoying because there have been a few enemies that I can almost kill with two L2s, and a slight damage bump would have probably made the difference. But I already have the weapon at +9 so it's not getting any stronger unless I decide to spend an ancient somber stone on it, and I'd have to get one first.

I think once I get past Leyndell it will be time to switch to something else. Already it takes five L2s (with Warrior Jar Shard and Sacred Scorpion Charm) to kill the blackflame monks in the Caelid tower (I was farming their armor set for my collection), so I don't want to think about what it will take to kill enemies in Elphael or the DLC. I've really enjoyed using the Blackblade, and the L2 has been a very nice way to hit things from a distance, but as I move into the end game it's only going to go downhill from here. Yes, it does have the HP sapping effect that deals % damage, but that's already a negligible amount of damage.

Once I have the somber stones, I'll try out some other weapons. Siluria's Tree obviously, but the Envoy's Long Horn looks like it could be decent as well. I suppose I may as well give the Blasphemous Blade a spin too, I just think it's a gross looking weapon and I seem to have an aversion to using "popular" or "overpowered" weapons. The Inseparable Sword might be another option.

[SHOCKNUTZ]

don't write it off just yet. it can be better than the next weapon under the right circumstances.

[Kalamir]

Might I point you towards the Cranial Vessel Candlestand?
This thing is... Useless in PVP, but it has high base DMG, it scales well, the initial explosion is just (satisfactory) and it rains fire. Why I never see any one else wielding this thing is such a shame.

The Envoy's Long Horn is a Boss shredder. Sure there are mostly Holy resistant Bosses past Leyndel & yet they still melt to this Joke weapon. Yes it's a joke weapon, but it's punchline is a killer.

[Greywander]

I've considered the Cranial Vessel Candlestand, but I feel like it overlaps a lot with the Grafted Dragon, which I'm using as an off hand weapon. They both deal strike and fire damage, and they both have melee AoE ashes that shoot fire straight up to then rain down.

I will say, as someone who mostly plays melee it can be frustrating trying to get close enough to hit something. Having a ranged ash like Corpse Wax Cutter has been really nice, and I think I'd like whatever replaces my Blackblade to also have a ranged ash. As such, the Inseparable Sword is actually pretty high on my list. Siluria's Tree as well, though I'm just not much of a spear person.

[Kalamir]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Greywander:

I've considered the Cranial Vessel Candlestand, but I feel like it overlaps a lot with the Grafted Dragon, which I'm using as an off hand weapon. They both deal strike and fire damage, and they both have melee AoE ashes that shoot fire straight up to then rain down.

The Cranial Vessel Candlestand Surge of Faith might look similar to Bear Witness. But there are 2 big differences
-1 It's a Explosion, like Repel but doing Damage that also rains fire after.
-2 You can keep casting it as long as Stamina and FP hold out.

Either way, I was not planning on using myself but I had the stats to wield it and gave a go. I was surprise by how good it feels to use. Lots of Hyper Armor & the explosions are under represented. I'll stop singing it's praises here.

As for a Range AoW, well one of the best outside Blasphemous Blade for Faith weapons is the Halo Scythe. Miquella's Ring of Light is no joke but the weapon itself is more of a skill stick because of it's low Faith scaling for main weapon use. It's real issue is doing Holy DMG where Holy DMG gets resisted by almost every boss in the late game.

The Envoy's Horn & Envoy's Greathorn are better for Range then the Envoy's Long Horn. First one being Cheap while the later is a slow tactical nuke of Holiness. They are not the best compared to casting Incantations but they are reliable & underused.

[Elymnir]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kalamir:

The Envoy's Long Horn is a Boss shredder. Sure there are mostly Holy resistant Bosses past Leyndel & yet they still melt to this Joke weapon. Yes it's a joke weapon, but it's punchline is a killer.

I always keep this one close at hand in case I struggle in a boss fight. It's just so hilarious to see mighty dragons bow down to the power of bubbles. It makes the game too easy, but it's just too funny to annihilate everything with a PWAAAP.